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Since I already said my critics, I'll add an other one, and that is, WHY THE FUCK WOULD HAWK SURVIVED A NEAR FULL COMBO FROM DERRIERE
Hawk's in the story for Comedic purposes lol plus how does this surprise you when he survived Dark Snow -___-Since I already said my critics, I'll add an other one, and that is, WHY THE FUCK WOULD HAWK SURVIVED A NEAR FULL COMBO FROM DERRIERE
The only person who I am nearly 100% sure is dead is Galan. There's still a chance that Mera is alive (we haven't seen Elaines body yet), but it's not likely. Greyroad has only been captured, not killed. I find it laughable that anyone thinks Derr or Monspeet is dead, and it's practically confirmed that the only reason Estarossa and Zeldris and Escanor aren't there is because Nakaba wanted to focus on everyone else, and if they were there it would be too op. So he put them out of commission. This is Nakaba's modus operandi.This thread is unbearably unnecessary, the 2nd arc isn't even close to being over, we don't even have confirmation if anyone's dead, not even Galand
The Commandments were put out of commission due to having immense pride and stupidity, that is all
You guys are acting like they were defeated by the weaker main characters in a physically 1v1 confrontation
This thread should've been made AFTER this arc was over, as for character developement, the series isn't even close to being over -___-
We still don't know shit about 70% of the characters back stories and origins, Nakaba reveals things when it's necessary to the plot, you guys should known that by now
Hawk survived black snow, he died and was revived (not even by Elizabeth's magic, just his own), ate some demon meat and didn't explode, aaannnddd he's comic relief. And Nakaba LOVES him. He ain't dying anytime soon.Since I already said my critics, I'll add an other one, and that is, WHY THE FUCK WOULD HAWK SURVIVED A NEAR FULL COMBO FROM DERRIERE
Denzel is probably the only noteworthy character that died on that list.There are more deaths of named characters than in the previous arc though. There is only one survivor among the Weird Fangs, Denzel and Dogget died. Also Marmas and probably some other characters I forgot.
Also there is no feeling in any of these deaths! If you were invested in a holy knight I feel bad for you cause Nakaba is gonna kill your favorite off and no one in the story would acknowledge it.Denzel is probably the only noteworthy character that died on that list.
The death only death that bothered me was, honestly, Veronica's. I thought that was some bullshit. The others are pretty plausible enough for the story for me to let slide.
Zaratras' character probably would have better if he'd stayed dead, but his coming back is still plausible. Merascylla's main purpose was probably just to bring him and Elaine back seeing as the whole zombie thing was dropped after the Raven Town arc. Should've still been a few zombies running around. Hell, sine Zaratras is still kicking, they're should still be zombies running around.
I think the main issue regarding the HK is how useless they are. The strongest holy knights could be literally 10 times stronger and they would still be garbage for the 10 commandments or the sins. I mean, the strongest humans so far are dreyfus and zaratras and even they clock at about 3100 and 3000. At tens times that zaratras would be about equal with fraudrin, a third rate substitute who was not even given a commandment. Well, maybe they would be a bit stronger due to their magics actually being worth something (unlike fraudrin's whose magic makes him really big without increasing his strength stat). But even then, still well weaker than the other commandments as far as we can tell. Even merascylla has a more than respectable 34k along with soul manipulation abilities which have proven deadly to anyone. Then greylord with 39k and a rather dangerous commandment, galan with 27 k that turn into 40k, greylord with 39 and a rather dangerous commandment, and so on...Also there is no feeling in any of these deaths! If you were invested in a holy knight I feel bad for you cause Nakaba is gonna kill your favorite off and no one in the story would acknowledge it.
Arthur & Escanor are the humans only hope 2 take on a Commandment solo.I think the main issue regarding the HK is how useless they are. The strongest holy knights could be literally 10 times stronger and they would still be garbage for the 10 commandments or the sins. I mean, the strongest humans so far are dreyfus and zaratras and even they clock at about 3100 and 3000. At tens times that zaratras would be about equal with fraudrin, a third rate substitute who was not even given a commandment. Well, maybe they would be a bit stronger due to their magics actually being worth something (unlike fraudrin's whose magic makes him really big without increasing his strength stat). But even then, still well weaker than the other commandments as far as we can tell. Even merascylla has a more than respectable 34k along with soul manipulation abilities which have proven deadly to anyone. Then greylord with 39k and a rather dangerous commandment, galan with 27 k that turn into 40k, greylord with 39 and a rather dangerous commandment, and so on...
Basically, an scenario where a human can take a commandment head on is virtually non existent. Some time ago merlin made the point that the collective holy knights had about 150k pl but that is entirely irrelevant to the current holy war. The most they could do is kinda stand up to the demon militia, red and grey demons and that is still kinda irrelevant because a single commandment could obliterate either in an instant. We saw how the 150k performed against hendricksen's 5k after all. The most we can ever aspire to in this regard is a commandment being defeated by a human by getting caught of guard or perhaps some insane combination of magics which affect the user regardless of PL.... And even that is a huge stretch considering how useless non-escanor humans were against the commandments after presumably 1 month worth of preparation.
This is a bad shonen trope in general in my opinion. The worst offender is probably Naruto though if I were to be honest. Still it only feels like those characters died cause look he's not gonna kill a 7 deadly sin and they can't go around killing nameless fodder for a whole arc since that wouldn't be entertaining enough. Even though he killed characters that nobody would really remember or who just got introduced in the same arc and yet the villains of the last arc get to live.I think the main issue regarding the HK is how useless they are. The strongest holy knights could be literally 10 times stronger and they would still be garbage for the 10 commandments or the sins. I mean, the strongest humans so far are dreyfus and zaratras and even they clock at about 3100 and 3000. At tens times that zaratras would be about equal with fraudrin, a third rate substitute who was not even given a commandment. Well, maybe they would be a bit stronger due to their magics actually being worth something (unlike fraudrin's whose magic makes him really big without increasing his strength stat). But even then, still well weaker than the other commandments as far as we can tell. Even merascylla has a more than respectable 34k along with soul manipulation abilities which have proven deadly to anyone. Then greylord with 39k and a rather dangerous commandment, galan with 27 k that turn into 40k, greylord with 39 and a rather dangerous commandment, and so on...
Basically, an scenario where a human can take a commandment head on is virtually non existent. Some time ago merlin made the point that the collective holy knights had about 150k pl but that is entirely irrelevant to the current holy war. The most they could do is kinda stand up to the demon militia, red and grey demons and that is still kinda irrelevant because a single commandment could obliterate either in an instant. We saw how the 150k performed against hendricksen's 5k after all. The most we can ever aspire to in this regard is a commandment being defeated by a human by getting caught of guard or perhaps some insane combination of magics which affect the user regardless of PL.... And even that is a huge stretch considering how useless non-escanor humans were against the commandments after presumably 1 month worth of preparation.
Had it occur 2 you that Prime Meliodas being with the Demons was the sole reason that they were equalsEstarossa' comments about meliodas in his prime made the gods cower in his presence. I feel it doesnt make sense because estarossa said both godesses and demons were equal in power. Once stigma was formed, the godesses had more than enough allies to take down meliodas and co. Then why they didnt make their move to exterminate the demons when they could???? So there can be 2 possibilities, 1. estarossa lied to boast his idol by being a loyal fanboy or 2. Nakaba's inconsistency.... what do you guys think about it????
If what you said is true, then they could right away wipe the floor with rest of the demons by themselves, why forming stigma when they can crush tens of thousands of them at once with an ark.....Had it occur 2 you that Prime Meliodas being with the Demons was the sole reason that they were equalsHell Derrière almost died 2 Nerobasta& According 2 Monspeet she would of died 2 one of the 4 angels.
I could be wrong but it look like Stigma was form after Meliodas left the Demons so Nakaba isn't inconsistent Prime Meliodas is just seriously OP.
Prime meliodas was said to be the strongest demon,so only the goddess leader could have stood a chance against him. The demons and goddess were said to be equal and the reason the goddess clan could not start an all out war was because it would have been too close with most of two clans being destroyed and anyone could come out as the victor,most likely the demons would.If what you said is true, then they could right away wipe the floor with rest of the demons by themselves, why forming stigma when they can crush tens of thousands of them at once with an ark.....
4 of them is more than enough to wipe off the rest of the commandments. While their fodders battle fodders. And meliodas being op means he can kill any godesses at sight without thinking twice. And dont forget they had the vampire clan siding them all the way after some time zeldris takes the lead......
I agree with 90% of your facts and statements but Stood a chance is a bad word to use. If meliodas was strongest than every godesses especially the great four and their chief, why not label him as the strongest being instead of strongest demon. If the godesses were truly afraid of him he should easily be stronger than anyone of them and should be the strongest being. I truly feel estarossa/nakaba exaggerated a bit with his statements.....Prime meliodas was said to be the strongest demon,so only the goddess leader could have stood a chance against him. The demons and goddess were said to be equal and the reason the goddess clan could not start an all out war was because it would have been too close with most of two clans being destroyed and anyone could come out as the victor,most likely the demons would.
I bet the goddess would not take that chance since it could have led to the end of their race.
Thats why they started the war when meliodas defected cause the demons lost a huge force of their army.
Then there is the goddesses arch angels who were supposed to be on par with the old ten commandments.
If there were on par with meliodas tc,then shouldn't wipe the floor with the current TC,especially since they list two of their powerful members(meliodas and gowther) and two died(aranak and Zeno).
Well... It could be that meliodas TC was possibly stronger than the archangels. Plus there is the major fact that three of meliodas TC members were still kids and zeldris was probably not even born then.
So the inclusion of zeldris,grayroad? and a fully matured, estarossa, merascylla and derriere was enough to bring the commandments and arch angels to a similar level.
And as for the goddess forming stigma,I guess it was to increase their odds against the demons since the demon clan forces could have been higher than that of the goddesses. Also,the demon clan seem to have generally stronger members than the other clans plus a good amount of reasonably strong indivuals apart from the commandments(There was fraudrin before joining tc and there's also the black knights and likely more).
I kind of doubt meliodas was the strongest being,the dk and him were most likely equals and as for the goddess,just because their clan feared meliodas doesn't mean their leader also does. For example most demons may shit their pants in front of noon escanor but the demon king wouldn't fear him. The goddess leader should be up there with meliodas and the DK,their power are likely very close but meliodas wrath could make him the victor in a 1 on 1 battle.I agree with 90% of your facts and statements but Stood a chance is a bad word to use. If meliodas was strongest than every godesses especially the great four and their chief, why not label him as the strongest being instead of strongest demon. If the godesses were truly afraid of him he should easily be stronger than anyone of them and should be the strongest being. I truly feel estarossa/nakaba exaggerated a bit with his statements.....
We don't really know that to be honest. From what I gather meliodas has to be either at or above the 4 archangels for him to have been feared as he was. The 4 archangels are most likely insanely strong however there is still the issue of how few of them they are. If only one of them falls, the blow to the goddesses would be much greater than say, a single commandment falling. With that in mind it makes sense the goddesses would be wary of meliodas even if he was merely their equal. Also worth noting, the power we have seen from mel is still not quite at it's top. Meliodas as we have seen in the flashback appears to have the same amount of power as he has in the present. And the form he had in estarosa's flashback was clearly stronger as far as I can tell anyways. If current mel is comparable to the 4 archangels, then meliodas as estarosa remembered him is clearly more powerful than the archangels.I kind of doubt meliodas was the strongest being,the dk and him were most likely equals and as for the goddess,just because their clan feared meliodas doesn't mean their leader also does. For example most demons may shit their pants in front of noon escanor but the demon king wouldn't fear him. The goddess leader should be up there with meliodas and the DK,their power are likely very close but meliodas wrath could make him the victor in a 1 on 1 battle.