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I consider Mirajane being stronger than Lucy simply for the fact that she has shown that she can deal enough damage to take down a Spriggan, and Lucy hasn't shown that. I don't consider Mirajane as strong as your average Spriggan because Jacob had to close his eyes for the duration of the fight. Giving Mirajane the benefit of the doubt, he may have tried using stealth and transport off screen.
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Going by your logic EVERYONE in ft has bs plot armor lol.
Technically, they do. Hiro likes to make his good guys win, but even bad guys have plot armour. That's why final villains like Acnologia are guaranteed to make it until the final battle with the protagonist. Mirajane is no different, and Jacob closing his eyes is fair point on how the plot allowed Mirajane to win. I don't consider "plot armour" a valid excuse to be used in debates. It's really just another way of saying "I don't like it".
 

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When did Laxus ever tank an Amaterasu? All I remember was him getting hit by a nameless one which put him out of the fight for a while.
After he dodged the giant globe, he landed straight in an Amaterasu. Hades explained how it makes the afflicted lose all control of their limbs, and even if you were to resist, it'd drain you of all of your magic. Laxus was able to keep fighting on par with Hades, but it soon caught up with him. He then gave his remaining magic to Natsu, and tanked Hades' attack.

Makarov was also able to withstand its effects, so an Amaterasu may just be overhyped.
 

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After he dodged the giant globe, he landed straight in an Amaterasu. Hades explained how it makes the afflicted lose all control of their limbs, and even if you were to resist, it'd drain you of all of your magic. Laxus was able to keep fighting on par with Hades, but it soon caught up with him. He then gave his remaining magic to Natsu, and tanked Hades' attack.

Makarov was also able to withstand its effects, so an Amaterasu may just be overhyped.
Laxus tanked Amaterasu 28 spell not Amaterasu 100 spell, Amaterasu 100 destroyed good portion of the island only Thing Hades needs to do is spam amaterasu 100 spell and Jacob is eventually annihilated like a fodder mage... Precht even overpowered Giant Makarov and Giant Makarov ---->Mirajane

Amaterasu 100----> Mira fists
 

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Only the 1. and the second are spriggan lvl(though GS is out-classed by hax magic).
Laxus: Red lightning ass-pull and the Ajeel one-shoot is debatable.
Natsu: Jacob was restricted from Trasnport and he was unable to dodge mid flight.What's further he took down both Natsu and Lucy at the same time in hand to hand combat.
Gray is in a weird spot.He fought someone with the same type of magic and to mention Invel never used ice lock on him.
Gajeel: Don't get me started on this.This was one fight with the most plot holes in the series.

Kagura:She's really strong in close combat,but you put her against the likes of the Spriggan who excel at hax-magic,she toast.
Invel never used ice lock on him because it may have been useless anyway. It's probably a tech that is used for sneak attack purposes. The only time ice lock was useful is when the characters are caught off guard, had their backs turned away from Invel, and/or not focused, which explains how Mavis and Gray were caught in it the first time around. These are the only feats IL has.
 

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Invel never used ice lock on him because it may have been useless anyway. It's probably a tech that is used for sneak attack purposes. The only time ice lock was useful is when the characters are caught off guard, had their backs turned away from Invel, and/or not focused, which explains how Mavis and Gray were caught in it the first time around. These are the only feats IL has.
And you really believe that?
 

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Yes, because that's exactly what the feats here say.

Otherwise, it would be NLF to suggest otherwise.
cough plot hole cough

Sam reason why Bloodman didn't use marco or sensation curse against Gajeel.To make it convenient.

But the biggest plot hole until now is is every off-panneld fight.How are the ST&co stil lalive if the faced Rankheid or Bloodman? The literally insta kill anyone who comes close. XD
 

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cough plot hole cough

Sam reason why Bloodman didn't use marco or sensation curse against Gajeel.To make it convenient.

But the biggest plot hole until now is is every off-panneld fight.How are the ST&co stil lalive if the faced Rankheid or Bloodman? The literally insta kill anyone who comes close. XD
It's not a plothole. Ice Lock has only been used against characters that are either off-guard or had their backs turned on Invel.

You're using plothole as an excuse because you're hyping it up with zero basis.

Macro or sensation curse can not be compared here because it already has feats on being used against focused and guarded characters. Macro and Sensation curse was used on Erza even though she had her guard up.

Burden of proof is on you to prove Ice Lock works on opponents with their guards up otherwise you're using NLF.
 
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I consider Mirajane being stronger than Lucy simply for the fact that she has shown that she can deal enough damage to take down a Spriggan, and Lucy hasn't shown that. I don't consider Mirajane as strong as your average Spriggan because Jacob had to close his eyes for the duration of the fight. Giving Mirajane the benefit of the doubt, he may have tried using stealth and transport off screen..
I don't really find that the reason why she's stronger than Lucy since he was nerfed which was the only reason why she was able to, but regardless I do agree she is stronger than Lucy...for now if Lucy gets a good power up or something but until then yeah Mira is superior. I think many believe she's not is due to her lack of endurance which she poorly excels in which I can say Lucy is better than she is in, but that don't mean Lucy's stronger. Clearly I can see Mira is more powerful.
 

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It's not a plothole. Ice Lock has only been used against characters that are either off-guard or had their backs turned on Invel.

You're using plothole as an excuse because you're hyping it up with zero basis.

Macro or sensation curse can not be compared here because it already has feats on being used against focused and guarded characters. Macro and Sensation curse was used on Erza even though she had her guard up.

Burden of proof is on you to prove Ice Lock works on opponents with their guards up otherwise you're using NLF.

Just,because it was used on someone who was caught of guard doesn't mean it can't be used on the target who are aware.
And yet Ice lock worked,yet Ice slave wouldn't have ,which affects to people at once.See how flawed it sounds?
 

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You're inccorect.

Gildarts was bullying August, he was too fast for him to react. Then he got disassembled which would happen to any fighter like Laxus and Natsu.

August may be able to counter dissambely but he can't counter Gildarts speed and strength. Crash magic is the real monster, it took down an entire mountain casually. If Gildarts/Hiro did that August would have been in big trouble.

August punch had no affect against Gildarts. It just pushed him back but he wasn't bleeding and trying to catch his breath. Gildart is not even serious and probably won't be because Cana is here. Gildarts told Natsu and his friends to leave the area on Tenrojima because he didn't want to hurt them. Look he did to a mountain on accident, he didn't mean to do that.
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Jacob was able to go blow to blow with Natsu who grew in the ranks over the timeskip.

Mirajane is not on that Spriggan level simply because Jacob was nerfed. Transport would be a one sided battle, how is that fair? Mirajane got to use her magic and Jaocb could nr
Are you Wodden's alt? LMAO implying August can't keep up with Gildarts.
 

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Laxus tanked Amaterasu 28 spell not Amaterasu 100 spell, Amaterasu 100 destroyed good portion of the island only Thing Hades needs to do is spam amaterasu 100 spell and Jacob is eventually annihilated like a fodder mage... Precht even overpowered Giant Makarov and Giant Makarov ---->Mirajane

Amaterasu 100----> Mira fists
28 is the pillar he uses on Makarov and Franmalth uses against Natsu and Lucy. Hades did use it against Laxus in the manga, but in the anime is shown to have the same setup as the 100, and Mashima himself has even said that things he couldn't fit into the manga are put in the anime, so they're technically more canon than the manga.

But accounting for size and destruction, Hades had a lot longer to set up the formation against Makarov than he did Laxus. It could also have been coupled with the power of Makarov's defensive spell.

And he didn't overpower giant Makarov, he just used his chains to throw Makarov around, destroying the island.
 

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After he dodged the giant globe, he landed straight in an Amaterasu. Hades explained how it makes the afflicted lose all control of their limbs, and even if you were to resist, it'd drain you of all of your magic. Laxus was able to keep fighting on par with Hades, but it soon caught up with him. He then gave his remaining magic to Natsu, and tanked Hades' attack.
No, the weird effect thing was anime only. Laxus took heavy damage from the attack but was able to endure the pain for long enough to blitz Hades from behind. He also didn't tank any attack once he transferred his power to Natsu, he took one beam attack that left him unable to move and nigh unconscious.

Makarov was also able to withstand its effects, so an Amaterasu may just be overhyped.
Makarov cast a spell to block the A28 in their first fight if that is what you're referencing.
 

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Just,because it was used on someone who was caught of guard doesn't mean it can't be used on the target who are aware.
And yet Ice lock worked,yet Ice slave wouldn't have ,which affects to people at once.See how flawed it sounds?
You need to provide sufficient feats where this spell has been used at a character that is been on guard. Not assume for shit.
I'm asking you again, burden of proof is on you to prove where is there an instance IL is used on a character that doesn't have his back turned.
The only thing flawed is using imaginary feats and assumptions to back up your claims.
The logical solution here is that Invel's ice lock is useless if his target is in place, hence it's a spell used for sneak attack purposes hence Invel opted to not use it, and transformed to his best form.
 
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No, the weird effect thing was anime only. Laxus took heavy damage from the attack but was able to endure the pain for long enough to blitz Hades from behind. He also didn't tank any attack once he transferred his power to Natsu, he took one beam attack that left him unable to move and nigh unconscious.


Makarov cast a spell to block the A28 in their first fight if that is what you're referencing.
The fact that an attack meant to kill him while still retaining his magic, didn't kill him after giving the rest of his magic to Natsu is the very definition of tanking. One's ability to take magical damage relies on how much magical power the individual has. So if you have no magic, the attack is going to do a lot more damage. All Hades' attack (which had enough power to break his ship in half and make it rise from the ground) did was knock him out for a few minutes.
 

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You need to provide sufficient feats where this spell has been used at a character that is been on guard. Not assume for shit.
I'm asking you again, burden of proof is on you to prove where is there an instance IL is used on a character that doesn't have his back turned.
The only thing flawed is using imaginary feats and assumptions to back up your claims.
The logical solution here is that Invel's ice lock is useless if his target is in place, hence it's a spell used for sneak attack purposes hence Invel opted to not use it, and transformed to his best form.
It's not logical.It was never stated to have to be used on a target off guard.The only instance it was used was when the target was caught off guard.
There's a difference in a bility that exclusively used as a sneak attack and an ability that can also be used as a sneak attack.
 

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The fact that an attack meant to kill him while still retaining his magic, didn't kill him after giving the rest of his magic to Natsu is the very definition of tanking. One's ability to take magical damage relies on how much magical power the individual has. So if you have no magic, the attack is going to do a lot more damage. All Hades' attack (which had enough power to break his ship in half and make it rise from the ground) did was knock him out for a few minutes.
Tank = take an attack and suffer no/minimal damage. By your definition you could say that Erza tanked Irene's claw or that Dimaria tanked END Natsu's attack. What Laxus did is endure the Amaterasu damage until he was unable to move and got effectively KO'd by the blast attack after he transferred his magic.

Anyway I don't think any Spriggan apart from August, Larcade and Irene (purely on hype for her though) have displayed any durability feats that would allow them to walk off any Amaterasu, let alone A100. Spriggan are the definition of glass cannons, arrogant Mages who have relied on their overwhelming hax to win every fight so they have never actually taken a beating.
 
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Ok now you're just being ignorantly stubborn. Hyping Marin because he was smacking around Team Natsu is doing you no good because it's only due to his Teleportation, NOT his strength!
Ok now you're just making excuses. His magic bodied the lot of them. Since when is it only legit if he out muscles them? Tf

You can say it's pretty annoying to them that they couldn't lay a hit nor to anticipate his moves due to that and without it, they would've wrecked him.
Yeah just like he would wreck them without their respective magics. That isn't saying much at all.

If you still believe against that then by your logic, you must be saying Lucy>Team Natsu since she can have Gemini copy Marin and do the same thing that he done to them.
As Lucy is opening the gate she could also get flash frozen mid sentence, burned alive with a roar or decapitated by Erza, so no. Speculating is fairly simple.

And you telling me to stop reminding you of Marin's power but you're just really begging me to keep explaining it to you over and over until you understand that him nullifying Lucy's magic has NOTHING to do with his strength at all
Never said it did. Did she take the L against him? Yes, she did. Stop with the damage control.

it's the nature of his magic to affect ANY Spatial Magic users regardless of their power level like with Jacob who is leagues ahead of him.
Repeating more of the same.

His magic is just too hax for her but doesn't make him stronger clearly shown when he can affect those even superior to him.
What makes him > Lucy is his feat of no diffing her. Call it a bad matchup or whatever, it happened regardless.

Lucy having Gemini copying him just proves where they stand between each other since Gemini can only copy those equal to or weaker than she is.
Then where the heck did you get she's "clearly" stronger from then?

CQC is whatever (like there's mages that don't excel in that much but can still be powerful) but magic wise, Lucy performed much better than him.
In what Manga?

And your support to show how she isn't when you said that he had magic sealing cuffs is the only reason why she was able to have them copy him isn't helping your point either because Brandish had some on too and as implied, it don't even matter if the target got any of those cuffs on since the restrictions still stands that the target has to be equal to or weaker than she is regardless.
Completely irrelevant. The point is most of the feats she has over him came when he was either shrunk by Brandish (she stomped him) or bound by sealing cuffs (mimicking his magic) Neither of which would be the case in a 1v1 between them since the instant she goes to summon a spirit she's getting BRF'd again.

And it's not that we're underestimating the lackeys, it's just that we're saying they're not Spriggan tiers at all which you guys are ignoring the fact on by overrating them to be so due to wanting to believe so badly that Mira is Spriggan tier.
I don't care whether she's Spriggan tier or not since the Spriggan are garbage. Fact is she's got better feats than Lucy thus far. Downing Juliet and Heine is better than downing no one at all. Mira>Lucy.
 

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Ok now you're just making excuses. His magic bodied the lot of them. Since when is it only legit if he out muscles them? Tf
So basically you're saying Marin>Team Natsu?:neutral Ridiculous but alright

Yeah just like he would wreck them without their respective magics. That isn't saying much at all.
Kind of does actually because his magic is really useful to get away from pretty much everything and also handy in a fight like that. Can't hit what his foes can't touch and they won't know where his next move will be unless you're Cobra and August

As Lucy is opening the gate she could also get flash frozen mid sentence, burned alive with a roar or decapitated by Erza, so no. Speculating is fairly simple.
Don't care about the timing, I'm going by your logic dude of what you're saying about Marin who she copied.

Never said it did. Did she take the L against him? Yes, she did. Stop with the damage control.
No you pretty much are the way you're pointing out what he has done

Repeating more of the same.
Like I said, you were just begging me to keep repeat it over and over until you understand it has nothing to do with being stronger, it's just absolute

What makes him > Lucy is his feat of no diffing her. Call it a bad matchup or whatever, it happened regardless.
And regardless either way it doesn't make him stronger is my main point.

Then where the heck did you get she's "clearly" stronger from then?
....You're kidding right?:-_- Let me see, multiple spirits at once, Star Dress along with some decent skills and spells, pretty durable and enduring, and best of all Urano Mertria. Yeah she's pretty stronger than he is dude.:derp

In what Manga?
I don't understand this question

Completely irrelevant. The point is most of the feats she has over him came when he was either shrunk by Brandish (she stomped him) or bound by sealing cuffs (mimicking his magic) Neither of which would be the case in a 1v1 between them since the instant she goes to summon a spirit she's getting BRF'd again.
Doesn't matter when it was implied having magic sealing cuffs isn't the case to how she was able to copy him since she couldn't copy Brandish.

I don't care whether she's Spriggan tier or not since the Spriggan are garbage. Fact is she's got better feats than Lucy thus far. Downing Juliet and Heine is better than downing no one at all. Mira>Lucy.
Erm, I agree with the bolded but don't try so hard getting your point across by using when Marin low diff both Lucy and Erza as though he's stronger when we said she had to go full power against Irene's lackies. Use something else instead of something that those two couldn't help on due to the nature of his magic
 
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It's not logical.It was never stated to have to be used on a target off guard.The only instance it was used was when the target was caught off guard.
There's a difference in a bility that exclusively used as a sneak attack and an ability that can also be used as a sneak attack.
Stating doesn't account for the fact that feat-wise, it's still done for off-guard sneak attack purposes.
Which brings me to the point that it doesn't have the feats or power scale to be used for characters on their guards.
 
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