American Politics

[Jay]

Dunno why, but it feels like the AHCA was just an asspull they came up with once Trump won, just to make their supporters feel better. Either that or it was their plan all along to make it expensive for citizens and let the wealthy keep more money. Either way, America is fucked because of the GOP.

The people that voted them in should have realized when we still could have done something :|

 

[M3J]

The people that voted them in should have realized when we still could have done something :|

They are too dumb and brainwashed to do any realizing, especially when one reason why they voted for Trump is to "stick it in the left wing's face" or some shit.

 

[kkck]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...t-privacy-protections/?utm_term=.18b29aacda2b

And now begins the slow removal on net neutrality. Let's hope the US maintains it's monopoly of this idiocy and the rest of the world does not follow.

 

[POW]

Either way, America is fucked because of the GOP.

Unfortunately it's not just the GOP as the Republicans being the party of Wall Street is nothing new. The Democrats don't lead with progressive ideas and legislation which are popular with the vast majority of working class people thus the majority of the population stays disinterested. Instead we have a Democrat party which is basically republican lite in economic policies and slightly left of social issues.

Thus we have 2 right wing economic parties hence why half the population doesn't bother to vote.

[media]

 

[xi0]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...t-privacy-protections/?utm_term=.18b29aacda2b

And now begins the slow removal on net neutrality. Let's hope the US maintains it's monopoly of this idiocy and the rest of the world does not follow.

I mean, I don't know anyone who thinks this is a great idea or anything. The lie that consumers will now have the "freedom" to choose an ISP that doesn't sell their info, even though they'd have no idea whether they do or not....is preposterous. But this isn't really what net neutrality was about.

 

[kkck]

I mean, I don't know anyone who thinks this is a great idea or anything. The lie that consumers will now have the "freedom" to choose an ISP that doesn't sell their info, even though they'd have no idea whether they do or not....is preposterous. But this isn't really what net neutrality was about.

Well, no, it wasn't about that but this is the start. Even the guy trump placed at the relevant position for it (was it the FCC?) is anti net neutrality. You have an entire administration that either does not understand, does not care or plainly overtly sides with ISPs when it comes to legislation.

 

[M3J]

Unfortunately it's not just the GOP as the Republicans being the party of Wall Street is nothing new. The Democrats don't lead with progressive ideas and legislation which are popular with the vast majority of working class people thus the majority of the population stays disinterested. Instead we have a Democrat party which is basically republican lite in economic policies and slightly left of social issues.

Thus we have 2 right wing economic parties hence why half the population doesn't bother to vote.

[media]

The thing is, democrats, as shitty as they are now, aren't leading this country, GOP are. At least during Obama's term, you could say it was a combination of republicans and Obama fucking it up, but right now it's Trump and GOP. At this point, you can't really defend their shitiness or deflect.

 

[kkck]

Oh, so now trump is antagonizing the freedom caucus. Lets hope he is actually serious about that. The way I see it there are numerous outcomes to this and none of them are really bad. Well, there is one bad scenario which would be that trump bullies them enough to get them in line and is actually able to get concessions from them which would improve his ability to implement his agenda. That is the only bad long term scenario but from then it's all good. If he tries this and fails then his ability to govern will be as limited as it is today. If he attacks then and succeeds and he basically gets rid of them then trump basically got rid off one of the crazier right wing wings of the party and that is just good news all around. It means the republican party took a good first step away from insanity and idiocy that defines it today. Of course, the downside would be trump's improved ability to govern but that would still be worth it IMO.

 

[POW]

. At this point, you can't really defend their shitiness or deflect.

The GOP is a lost cause and has been for almost a century. The Democrats are at the tipping point of becoming the same.

We need a progressive wave to bring the half of populace who doesn't vote together with the ones who hold their nose and vote but find no one who really represents their interests. It's sad when you look at the bold vision of past presidents compared to the empty mouth breathers we have today.

 

[M3J]

Haven't they been lost cause long ago? Apart from few, it seems democrats aren't really for the people as they claim to be. Didn't Bill reduce welfare for the poor?

We need more politicians who are either in center or able to meet in the middle. The main problem is that both sides usually refuse to budge and want to force things their way.

 

[kkck]

Haven't they been lost cause long ago? Apart from few, it seems democrats aren't really for the people as they claim to be. Didn't Bill reduce welfare for the poor?

We need more politicians who are either in center or able to meet in the middle. The main problem is that both sides usually refuse to budge and want to force things their way.

The US does not have a middle when it comes to politics. You have on the extreme the libertarians. Then you have republicans. Then you have democrats. Then you have bernie sanders. Then to the left of that you have the middle. Trying to find the middle in politics using republicans can't work. It's like trying to find the middle of a 30 cm ruler near the 1st centimeter. Trying to find the middle while considering republicans as they currently are cannot be done. Republicans are not even on the same spectrum. Republicans are a party that denies science and all sort of academic consensus including in economics. There is no moderation or sanity in it. They cannot be nor deserve to be treated as if their views are valid. Given them that benefit implies that the idea that the world is 6000 years old is valid. That climate change consensus in the scientific community is not real. That trickle down economics is not a myth (even the more serious economist who have a favorable view of this don't think this makes sense after the major reduction in tax bracket from 70 or 90% that was a thing through most of the 20th century to the 30ish% that you see today and europe never really treated this as a thing).A valid opinion implies actual knowledge on a topic. Republicans deny the bulk of knowledge we have today in a variety of topics at their convenience.

Now, this is not to say democrats are great or anything. They have their own issues which are very serious. But they pale in comparison to a party that grotesquely defends indefensible ignorance like the republican party.

 

[M3J]

I thought we used to have a middle before Obama. I didn't know shit about politics back then, but I don't think they were as bad as they are now?

 

[Onyx Darkmatter]

I thought we used to have a middle before Obama. I didn't know shit about politics back then, but I don't think they were as bad as they are now?

There was a Middle Ground even before Bush. The problem now is that there are more and more people who're moving away from the middle and side with the extremist side (or even break away from the party and form their own, much like what happened with the Cancerous Tea Party movement).
I don't think we'll be moving back into the Middle Ground again, but that depends if there are people who are willing to put in the effort to fill that gap.

 

[POW]

I think the problem is "the middle" in US politics is meaningless as the whole argument has been skewed so much via years of lies and attempted brainwashing that the middle is equivalent of doing nothing which is what we have had for decades now.

Honestly ask yourself whats the middle between those arguing facts and the common good and those spewing out propaganda and self interest.

 

[Franckie]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...t-privacy-protections/?utm_term=.18b29aacda2b

And now begins the slow removal on net neutrality. Let's hope the US maintains it's monopoly of this idiocy and the rest of the world does not follow.

Not surprising. Republicans must oppose it. Because Obummer.

The GOP is a lost cause and has been for almost a century. The Democrats are at the tipping point of becoming the same.

We need a progressive wave to bring the half of populace who doesn't vote together with the ones who hold their nose and vote but find no one who really represents their interests. It's sad when you look at the bold vision of past presidents compared to the empty mouth breathers we have today.

When it seems like people are voting against their interests, you have probably failed to understand their interests. You cannot begin to understand this election until you understand the power and reach of socialism for white people. Read this article by Chris Ladd if you want a decent idea of what many voters, especially white ones, really want: http://politicalorphans.com/socialism-for-white-people/

Honestly, probably the only thing that'll force the US to adopt a semi-functional welfare state in the near future is with the Baby Boomers retiring en masse. Taxes will have to be raised and the IRS properly funded if we're to secure the needed revenue to properly fund Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security they're so dependent upon.

 

[M3J]

I think the problem is "the middle" in US politics is meaningless as the whole argument has been skewed so much via years of lies and attempted brainwashing that the middle is equivalent of doing nothing which is what we have had for decades now.

Honestly ask yourself whats the middle between those arguing facts and the common good and those spewing out propaganda and self interest.

Working together is what I want, though I'd prefer the left (arguing facts and the common good) over the right (spewing out propaganda and self interest). Like, the right hate abortion, but they still want to defund an organization (Planned Parenthood) that actually reduces abortion.

 

[Philia]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...im-jong-un-us-alone-a7663621.html#commentsDiv

YESSS Go Trumpy tackle North Korea by yourself..........

 

[shionoro]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...im-jong-un-us-alone-a7663621.html#commentsDiv

YESSS Go Trumpy tackle North Korea by yourself..........

"Noone would have thought that dethroning kim yong could be such a complicated issue"

 

[kkck]

So if that article is more or less accurate, what trump is trying to do is get china to basically flip on NK based on their trade relationships? That's a weird gamble that trump is making. The way I see it, which might be way off, trump would have to convince china that he is willing and able to screw up US' trade relationship with China over NK. Quite frankly, I think trump would be willing to do it, and thus sink the world into economic hell and instability. What I am not sure of is if he actually can. As in, can he alone make such a change?

On another more positive note, there are a number of reports that someone has started using chemical weapons at the middle east and civilians have been affected. Oh wait, that's not positive, that is fucking terrible.

 

[Onyx Darkmatter]

Stephen Bannon got kicked out of the National Security Council.
I don't know how exactly should I react; should I be happy about that, or scared, or whatever emotions you throw at?