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First of all, Votekill Vandred.
To fix a previous mistake I made.

Also, for anyone interested:

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xnut- claims active role. Says it's similar to his role on his previousgame.
Belserion –active role, it will be better when she overcome a “crisis” (?)
Lambu- Says their role is active and has appeared in one of the games they have played, but isn't useful at the moment
MarmaladeSky- passive, isn’t unhappy about it.
Zimbardo- It'd be silly to say I've never had it before, as I have never played this game with you guys before, but I have never played a Mafia game with this class before (though that could be said for 90% of the classes here).
Also, this role is designed for someone who has great experience in this game, I feel.
I really need to be able to predict what classes people have, to be useful. <- so any hints on how to read different classes would be nice [am looking at you GrySun; as you are one of the few people I may have a mild clue to], I mean outside of the hints people give...
Elusia - I'm really neutral about my role. I don't hate it but I don't like it either. So I'll just roll with it.
Gnut- Says he has 'old role which he hadn't had before', but not Mafia
Gry- States he is likely being memed by hosts with this role and will likely kill himself with it sooner or later. Says he holds two notes atm.
WYIS – I might as well elaborate on my role a little. It's passive in the sense that I don't actively target other players. Can affect the others permanently under the right circumstances.
Emptysoul- townie
Vandread - Says their role is similar to the insane doctor, but a lot less useful
Desin24- says their role is a new one to them – not bulletproof, plain townie, Mafia detective, hider, doctor or Mafia escort
Arjuna –claims bulletproof.
Gryffindor – says his role is useless at the moment.


@Vandred are you implying your role is naive?

I trust Lambu for now. As for the hints people gave, I think there is a bar keeper, a witch (cause it's a witches game, mys sister insisted there should be one), and at least two or more other blocking roles due to the number of death notes, and for the same reason (the 2 DNs)I suppose there's only one big mafia since two mafias would iply too many deaths at once. I believe Gry for now, his revelation about holding two notes and the fact that Vandred didn't die makes a lot of sense if I take into consideraction my latest actions, but still not sure whether Gry is or not a simple townie. I'd like we all pondered more about this before the night comes.

By the way, I have privileged information about Vand's not dying and I think it's related to my mistake (no, I'm not a doc neither a mafia buddy). I'm also not sure if I made a mistake or not on D1 too (sorry if I did @zimbardo ). Also, I need to tell you all that there's more than two death notes, cause when this day phase started I also received a death note. (yes, that's why we ave lots of blocking roles! I wouldn't doubt that there is a fourth DN, if it's possible)

Since Gry called D and O, mine would be W, cause the names written on it are:
1.WithYouInSpirit
2-Kato756

WYIS was protected by someone or the person who wrote the name was blocked. And Kato died last night probably due to the death note (or someone else targeted him if the Dn was blocked, which is unlikely). I believe who killed him was mafia (or a townied that found his playsttyle suspect, but 'm pending to the mafia option), and I'm also not sure why someone would entrust the DN to me, but I'd like we decided the target to the kill instead of focusing solely on Vand too.
Okay this is getting even more confusing now. A third Note? So that killed Kato? Do we even have 3rd parties in that case if there exist 3 kill abilities that keep changing their host. Spirit surviving the first night is interesting, so he was someone's first kill attempt? And why would they give you the Death Note when Greg is super trustworthy.

This is just a confusing mess now. Can everyone who ever held one of the 3 Notes come out now and explain themselves for why they wrote in the name they did and why and who they passed it to?

Also Asia I was going to make my own mind up on my kills, but since we now have 3 kills instead we should maybe talk about this and decide on our targets during the day? Mafia can't prevent them all.
 

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Ah, I also think there's a pirate (my sister also insists on this) due to some hints people gave here about roles not being useful now or that they'd not know how to use it.
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And why would they give you the Death Note when Greg is super trustworthy.
I'm as puzzled as you since people didn't really trust me... but :pout You're telling me I'm not trusthworthy? :XD Just kidding. I believe it could be the case that the person that had this note didn't actually chose me, but left it to be randomized by the hosts? Not sure, really.
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Also Asia I was going to make my own mind up on my kills, but since we now have 3 kills instead we should maybe talk about this and decide on our targets during the day? Mafia can't prevent them all.
Yes, I think it woulb be better for the town right now. Mafia just you wait, this town is uniting.
 

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I'm as puzzled as you since people didn't really trust me... but :pout You're telling me I'm not trusthworthy? :XD Just kidding. I believe it could be the case that the person that had this note didn't actually chose me, but left it to be randomized by the hosts? Not sure, really.
Ah don't take it negatively :XD It's just that you didn't trust in niichan being a mafia until the very end, sure made me skeptical and others probably too. Maybe the one who had the Note before you was actually a mafia, perhaps even Erin? Hard to guess, people just have to come out with who had which Note when.
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Yes, I think it woulb be better for the town right now. Mafia just you wait, this town is uniting.
Tell me your thoughts on your biggest/most notable suspects. For me right now that's mainly syx..
 

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Why syx?

I think xnut is on the top of my list, he didn't give many hints and although his last hint could mean something, I feel there's still more he could have told.

WYIS said something about his role being able to affect people permanently under the right circumstances, could it be a pirate? In this case, a mafia pirate again? But the fact that his name was the first written on my note could mean mafia wanted him pretty dead too.

Also, with this number of notes, if there are third parties, I don't think there would be a srial killer or somethig like that, cause three notes already turned evrything a mayhem.
 

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Why syx?

I think xnut is on the top of my list, he didn't give many hints and although his last hint could mean something, I feel there's still more he could have told.

WYIS said something about his role being able to affect people permanently under the right circumstances, could it be a pirate? In this case, a mafia pirate again? But the fact that his name was the first written on my note could mean mafia wanted him pretty dead too.

Also, with this number of notes, if there are third parties, I don't think there would be a srial killer or somethig like that, cause three notes already turned evrything a mayhem.
niichan managed to fool syx in both day 1 and 2. He's a new player but it could also be an act for him not to vote on niichan, at leasts that's the feel I got after rereading several parts of day 2 earlier today.

Yes xnut is staying very low and his hints are quite basic. I wish people said more, since we literally hold 3 of their lives in our hands lol. Spirit hinted at being a passive role and Pirate is active, so that can't be it. I feel like a Mafia Pirate would've long since stolen someone's role, not using it for long isn't a good idea for him. If anyone would tell us that their role stopped working, either by not getting back a result or feeling like it does nothing we'd know there's a Pirate. Then again, we don't know Vand's role, he could be the Pirate or a Bomb even.

What are your thoughts on others? Especially on zimb/Lambu, they make detailed big posts but after Erin showed mafia despite "contributing" by gathering hints is slightly unnerving me.

3 Notes sounds very cruel but I believe you. We should try to get our targets sorted out so we don't overlap on 1 guy and waste a kill. I'll think about giving you one of my Notes tonight.
 

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Wow......I am gonna admit I didn't expect there to be a 3rd note. I don't think we have enough suspects to kill three people tonight. It will be very hard to keep them all around, and with the number of dets that died, it will be even harder to make a solid decision.
 

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Huh... That's actually a pretty interesting thought. There were talks of a hydra mafia game before(basically 2 players play on 1 account as 1 player with 1 role), but making a simple game again and maybe only letting beginners play is also interesting, if there's enough(at least 8) people that want to play it I'd host it.
I don't want to go that much off topic, but I would love to participate in a MG for beginners. Well, I wouldn't mind if experienced players participate as well. As I said a couple of times before, I really like this game, but the current version we play are way too much for me. That's not a complaint, I also would prefer more complex and bigger MGs if I were experienced enough.

I mean, once a death gets revealed, you people already come up with possible situations on how the death happened, combining actions, roles and shit while I sit here and think "Eh... such a role exists? Let me check the roles guide... again...".



And then the Death Note thingy...



 

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And the other players are no fools, we found that out from how decisively niichan was lynched, and by how decisively you're probably gonna get lynched. You and niichan both underestimated everyone and that's your downfall.
This is the only part I feel like replying to at this point. If anything, I keep overestimating townies. They're still as gullible as ever, just waiting for the most convincing mafia to lead them by the nose and take care of all the thinking for them.

No matter. I honestly hope you're not lying about having both Notes. That should make things quite funny.


@Vandred are you implying your role is naive?
Would anything I claim at this point matter? I'll just let my death show you the truth about Gry. It'll take a bit of time, but you'll see.
 

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niichan managed to fool syx in both day 1 and 2. He's a new player but it could also be an act for him not to vote on niichan, at leasts that's the feel I got after rereading several parts of day 2 earlier today.

Yes xnut is staying very low and his hints are quite basic. I wish people said more, since we literally hold 3 of their lives in our hands lol. Spirit hinted at being a passive role and Pirate is active, so that can't be it. I feel like a Mafia Pirate would've long since stolen someone's role, not using it for long isn't a good idea for him. If anyone would tell us that their role stopped working, either by not getting back a result or feeling like it does nothing we'd know there's a Pirate. Then again, we don't know Vand's role, he could be the Pirate or a Bomb even.

What are your thoughts on others? Especially on zimb/Lambu, they make detailed big posts but after Erin showed mafia despite "contributing" by gathering hints is slightly unnerving me.

3 Notes sounds very cruel but I believe you. We should try to get our targets sorted out so we don't overlap on 1 guy and waste a kill. I'll think about giving you one of my Notes tonight.
I trust Lambu for now, if what he's telling about his role is true, probably some role like witch/mentee that have an aftereefect or possibly a mortician.
I'm not sure about Zimby, from what I understood, he hinted something like an apprentice (or pirate and he is troubled in deciding whom he should copy)? Cause if he needs to know people's classes, those are the roles I have in mind (and I might have hindered him). If not, he was hinting something about protective/blocking roles, with him arjuna and me with those sort of roles, do you think it's possible to have this many blockers/protectors? (added the fact a doc and a bodyguard are already dead?)

I also supposed there were mason, but i'm not too sure. I also think there's also a barkeeper or your guys intuition is just too sharp :XD


Wow......I am gonna admit I didn't expect there to be a 3rd note. I don't think we have enough suspects to kill three people tonight. It will be very hard to keep them all around, and with the number of dets that died, it will be even harder to make a solid decision.
That's why we should discuss it together and try to find suspects, cause considering Gry and I are townies, town could give a great blow in mafia.

@syx I always play with another page open in the game rules and roles too :XD and I'm sure I've said some pretty non-sense things on those games. :verilyIf there's a MG for begginers, i'd like to take part in it too.
 

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I'm a main suspect? Come on @GrySun, after you did so well against niichan, that post of yours disappoints me. I don't see how nii fooled me just because I didn't votekill him.

No Red Truth.



I honestly expected a Red Truth right away from a townie who finished Umineko and currently is playing a Umineko-themed MG.

It's not necessary since - as I said - I wouldn't base my decision on your Red Truth anyway. The fact that you didn't use it right off the bat was a surprise and made you slightly more suspicious in my eyes. I mean, if you are really hellbent on keeping a rigorous line in regards to Umineko, you could have asked for permission to use the Red Truth in the beginning. : /

Anyway, I don't have the feeling that I'm particularly good in this game as opposed to other games I newly started. I've reread xnut's and EmptySoul's posts and think EmptySoul comes on top while niichan is the close runner up. That's why I

!votekill EmptySoul
Instead of finding the hints about my role, you are doing this to me?
 

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On the topic of a beginner MG, I would personally take part of that. I'm still new to this and would like some experience playing more.
 
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Would anything I claim at this point matter? I'll just let my death show you the truth about Gry. It'll take a bit of time, but you'll see.
Vand, last time you did the same accusing Gnut and it happened he was an investigator. So, this time I'll not trust your words, but if you're really a townie as you say, I'll take your words into consideration after you die.
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Also, @xnut does your role involves sanity/insanity?
 

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Vand, last time you did the same accusing Gnut and it happened he was an investigator. So, this time I'll not trust your words, but if you're really a townie as you say, I'll take your words into consideration after you die.
Aw, Pompom, you're still the most adorable Mafia Game player of all. :blush The godmother of lost causes.

Of course I'm not townie. :XD But neither is Gry. Don't worry, I'm not asking you guys to lynch him or anything anymore. He can keep dancing his jig for today, but he's already dead. Still, I doubt most of you will take into consideration his words even after he'll show up as Mafia Detective. Townies just love to lose.
 

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This is the only part I feel like replying to at this point. If anything, I keep overestimating townies. They're still as gullible as ever, just waiting for the most convincing mafia to lead them by the nose and take care of all the thinking for them.

No matter. I honestly hope you're not lying about having both Notes. That should make things quite funny.



Would anything I claim at this point matter? I'll just let my death show you the truth about Gry. It'll take a bit of time, but you'll see.
You can't honestly believe your own words. Spriggan messed up, niichan messed up, you messed up. You have to be extremely salty to blame others now for your demise. Still I expected better from you that call me a mafia this day instead of actually trying to play like a Townie would with giving us your suspects and helping out. But you are just a (mad?) mafia after all.

And I have no reason to lie, everything I posted this game were my true thoughts and opinions. And I have 2 Notes, and it's almost a shame I can't use it on you. But we have our lynch.

I'm a main suspect? Come on @GrySun, after you did so well against niichan, that post of yours disappoints me. I don't see how nii fooled me just because I didn't votekill him.

Instead of finding the hints about my role, you are doing this to me?
My suspects are all dying out, only minor things are left. There's nobody who can get 100% things right syx, for every 1 good move I do in a game I usually do 2 bad ones..
As for your hints, I actually did go looking. And I have 1 role I think you're hinting at. However I found nothing in the posts you quoted there, but in another post so maybe I'm wrong?
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Vand, last time you did the same accusing Gnut and it happened he was an investigator. So, this time I'll not trust your words, but if you're really a townie as you say, I'll take your words into consideration after you die.
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Also, @xnut does your role involves sanity/insanity?
Asia just write my name in your Note if Vand doesn't show as mafia. There's no way he's a Townie after how he used his final day.
 

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Votekill Vandred - Reasons aren't exactly concrete reasons. Again, I do not care about the "he defended niichan" argument. I simply feel something is off, I do not feel like I can trust that he is a townie at this point. Especially when he mentioned "If anything, I keep overestimating townies" - It feels like he is implying he isn't a townie himself by the way.
Yes, I do have my eyes on some people who are quite active in convincing others, as Vandred stating a "convincing mafia member." taking the lead. I am keeping my eyes closely on them, but they haven't given me enough reason to vote for them just yet. Perhaps that reason will never come. The fact that they exist don't make Vandred less suspicous (It's not like there is only 1 mafia member in the game after all). But isn't that part of the game?
 

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Of course I'm not townie. :XD But neither is Gry. Don't worry, I'm not asking you guys to lynch him or anything anymore. He can keep dancing his jig for today, but he's already dead. Still, I doubt most of you will take into consideration his words even after he'll show up as Mafia Detective. Townies just love to lose.
Well finally you confessed, that sure took a while. You should've at least try to pretend being a townie today instead of wasting time. How am I already dead exactly? Did you poison me?
Don't you gnut me :XD You can't reuse your strategy after many of us saw it before, that won't work. Mafia detective :lmao
 

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Asia just write my name in your Note if Vand doesn't show as mafia. There's no way he's a Townie after how he used his final day.
I know he's not a townie, I voted for him. :XD If I had doubts I would have saved my vote for later.

@gnut could you also give your thoughts about the situation? And @MarmaladeSky , could you tell at leats one of your suspects? It would help us discussing what to do whom to target tonight with the notes.
 

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Just want to say: I'm so slow I wasn't able to read the last few posts above mine :') I hereby do have concrete reasons to still votekill Vandred and declare myself to be a turtle. Enjoy your day.
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Aw, Pompom, you're still the most adorable Mafia Game player of all. :blush The godmother of lost causes.

Of course I'm not townie. :XD But neither is Gry. Don't worry, I'm not asking you guys to lynch him or anything anymore. He can keep dancing his jig for today, but he's already dead. Still, I doubt most of you will take into consideration his words even after he'll show up as Mafia Detective. Townies just love to lose.
WHAT THE FLYING FUCK?? That doesn't even make sense :XD

Votekill Vandred, holy shit, Im sorry for not trusting you fully before Gry. I feel like I lost a lot of time watching you.

I wanted to talk about the Death Note mechanic a little more but Im busy right now, I'll give my thoughts on it tomorrow, if I live :p
 
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