Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2017] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[DeepClean]

Will there be a sequel to Tokyo Ghoul re?

 

[Franz]

Looks like a simple air time change at normal hours saved heroaca. S3 will only have new volumes to carry it as I doubt it can grow further at s3 (see haikyuu)

MHA sales will grow.

 

[SharkBait]

MHA sales will grow.

It will take a miracle for it to meet or exceed this charts performance for the 2018 chart. No 2016 heroaca volume is up there for example, compared to say haikyuu which volumes have very long legs and approach the 900K - 1000K level.

 

[Caiops]

I think Oricon don't want us to see that Black Clover is in TOP 11, i'm sure thats because of it.

I think MHA season 3 will give another boost, one of the best moments of the manga will be there.

 

[Franz]

It will take a miracle for it to meet or exceed this charts performance for the 2018 chart. No 2016 heroaca volume is up there for example, compared to say haikyuu which volumes have very long legs and approach the 900K - 1000K level.

Haikyu is older than MHA.

And MHA is a lot publicized by Jump lately.

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I think Oricon don't want us to see that Black Clover is in TOP 11, i'm sure thats because of it.

It seems to me too early to honestly see him near the Top 10.

As already said, the anime started too little. To put it all MHA has been around for three years, yet the real boost has only recently had it with the sixth season ...

 

[SharkBait]

Haikyu is older than MHA.

I dont understand your point? MHA outsold older manga.

 

[DyanSon]

I think Oricon don't want us to see that Black Clover is in TOP 11, i'm sure thats because of it.

I think MHA season 3 will give another boost, one of the best moments of the manga will be there.

Maybe top 15 because it's impossible for BC right now to beat conan, TF FT Gintama and Chihayafuru

 

[Mammo]

oh man, I really wanted the shitstrom that comes with the top 30 list

well, nothing we can do about it

it's based on an already finished novel, we had to catch up eventually

 

[Caiops]

Maybe top 15 because it's impossible for BC right now to beat conan, TF FT Gintama and Chihayafuru

I know

"sarcasm"

 

[Franz]

I dont understand your point? MHA outsold older manga.

What I mean is that since Haykiuu is older, is more know and more advertised.

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Maybe top 15 because it's impossible for BC right now to beat conan, TF FT Gintama and Chihayafuru

For now...

 

[mrcho13]

I dont usualy post but here is my sales calculation I have done through the year
Its based on oricon and shosekiranking. Seeing the oficial top 10, my calculations are good enough too see where each series is placed.

Spoiler: My calculation

1 ONE PIECE 11,309,158
2 Shingeki no Kyojin 6,513,646
3 Kingdom 6,085,803
4 My Hero Academia 5,894,656
5 Tokyo Ghoul:re 5,255,506
6 Haikyuu!! 4,954,440
7 Nanatsu no Taizai 3,414,643
8 One Punch-Man 3,116,968
9 Shokugeki no Souma 2,710,150
10 Magi 2,627,110
11 Detective Conan 2,321,126
12 Promised Neverland 2,093,790
13 3-gatsu no Lion 1,920,489
14 Black Clover 1,892,501
15 Ao no Exorcist 1,809,121
16 FAIRY TAIL 1,808,863
17 Diamond no Ace Act II 1,673,333
18 Wotaku ni Koi wa Muzukashii 1,460,842
19 Dragon Ball Super 1,439,895
20 Major 2nd 1,425,722
21 Black Butler 1,403,592
22 HUNTER x HUNTER 1,365,417
23 Cardcaptor Sakura: Clear Card-hen 1,364,991
24 Gintama 1,339,124
25 Tensei shitara Slime Datta Ken 1,304,520
26 P to JK 1,228,431
27 Dungeon Meshi 1,225,788
28 Karakai Jouzu no Takagi-san 1,221,743
29 DAYS 1,216,742
30 BORUTO 1,206,518
31 Kimetsu no Yaiba 1,198,357
32 Kakegurui 1,181,393
33 Kimi ni Todoke 1,167,796
34 Komi-san wa, Community-shou desu 1,135,494
35 Yowamushi Pedal 1,121,123
36 JoJo Part 8: JoJolion 1,118,165
37 Kaguya-sama wa Kokurasetai 1,091,710
38 Shuumatsu no Harem 1,058,884
39 Tokyo Tarareba-jou 1,040,145
40 Mahoutsukai no Yome 1,016,131
41 Nigeru wa Haji daga Yaku ni Tatsu 1,010,590
42 Owari no Seraph 1,010,031
43 Saiki Kusuo no PSI Nan 992,909
44 Youjo Senki 970,146
45 Ajin 959,992
46 Chihayafuru 937,307
47 Terra Formars 935,581
48 World Trigger 929,495
49 Omoi, Omoware, Furi, Furare 914,311
50 Prison School 881,484

Basicly these are the minimum sales that each series did.Error is maybe around 50K or less for most of them.

 

[Mammo]

thanks for your hard work!!

interesting list

KnY is there but not Yuuna? Terra Formars which is on hiatus all year is there but not Golden Kamuy? hmmm....

 

[Aipom626]

I dont usualy post but here is my sales calculation I have done through the year
Its based on oricon and shosekiranking. Seeing the oficial top 10, my calculations are good enough too see where each series is placed.

Spoiler: My calculation

1 ONE PIECE 11,309,158
2 Shingeki no Kyojin 6,513,646
3 Kingdom 6,085,803
4 My Hero Academia 5,894,656
5 Tokyo Ghoul:re 5,255,506
6 Haikyuu!! 4,954,440
7 Nanatsu no Taizai 3,414,643
8 One Punch-Man 3,116,968
9 Shokugeki no Souma 2,710,150
10 Magi 2,627,110
11 Detective Conan 2,321,126
12 Promised Neverland 2,093,790
13 3-gatsu no Lion 1,920,489
14 Black Clover 1,892,501
15 Ao no Exorcist 1,809,121
16 FAIRY TAIL 1,808,863
17 Diamond no Ace Act II 1,673,333
18 Wotaku ni Koi wa Muzukashii 1,460,842
19 Dragon Ball Super 1,439,895
20 Major 2nd 1,425,722
21 Black Butler 1,403,592
22 HUNTER x HUNTER 1,365,417
23 Cardcaptor Sakura: Clear Card-hen 1,364,991
24 Gintama 1,339,124
25 Tensei shitara Slime Datta Ken 1,304,520
26 P to JK 1,228,431
27 Dungeon Meshi 1,225,788
28 Karakai Jouzu no Takagi-san 1,221,743
29 DAYS 1,216,742
30 BORUTO 1,206,518
31 Kimetsu no Yaiba 1,198,357
32 Kakegurui 1,181,393
33 Kimi ni Todoke 1,167,796
34 Komi-san wa, Community-shou desu 1,135,494
35 Yowamushi Pedal 1,121,123
36 JoJo Part 8: JoJolion 1,118,165
37 Kaguya-sama wa Kokurasetai 1,091,710
38 Shuumatsu no Harem 1,058,884
39 Tokyo Tarareba-jou 1,040,145
40 Mahoutsukai no Yome 1,016,131
41 Nigeru wa Haji daga Yaku ni Tatsu 1,010,590
42 Owari no Seraph 1,010,031
43 Saiki Kusuo no PSI Nan 992,909
44 Youjo Senki 970,146
45 Ajin 959,992
46 Chihayafuru 937,307
47 Terra Formars 935,581
48 World Trigger 929,495
49 Omoi, Omoware, Furi, Furare 914,311
50 Prison School 881,484

Basicly these are the minimum sales that each series did.Error is maybe around 50K or less for most of them.

Thanks for the major effort post! Bummed to not see Yuuna on here and I'm assuming it must be close to the cut-off, but was pleasantly surprised to see Komi-san make the list.

 

[cody]

thanks for your hard work!!

interesting list

KnY is there but not Yuuna? Terra Formars which is on hiatus all year is there but not Golden Kamuy? hmmm....

It does feel weird to see no Golden Kamuy absent. To be fair, Golden Kamuy was 26th last year and it got a huge boost from winning that award, maybe the momentum slowed down in backlog sales for it. Yuuna is probably just under Prison school, which doesn't seem impossible. Terra Formars was actually a top 10 seller two times I think and a top 15 seller in the last few years, so it's not surprising it's still going strong even after a long hiatus.

 

[Halloween]

Pretty amazing that Neverland almost got in the top 10 without an anime.

 

[razerxs]

I dont usualy post but here is my sales calculation I have done through the year
Its based on oricon and shosekiranking. Seeing the oficial top 10, my calculations are good enough too see where each series is placed.

Spoiler: My calculation

1 ONE PIECE 11,309,158
2 Shingeki no Kyojin 6,513,646
3 Kingdom 6,085,803
4 My Hero Academia 5,894,656
5 Tokyo Ghoul:re 5,255,506
6 Haikyuu!! 4,954,440
7 Nanatsu no Taizai 3,414,643
8 One Punch-Man 3,116,968
9 Shokugeki no Souma 2,710,150
10 Magi 2,627,110
11 Detective Conan 2,321,126
12 Promised Neverland 2,093,790
13 3-gatsu no Lion 1,920,489
14 Black Clover 1,892,501
15 Ao no Exorcist 1,809,121
16 FAIRY TAIL 1,808,863
17 Diamond no Ace Act II 1,673,333
18 Wotaku ni Koi wa Muzukashii 1,460,842
19 Dragon Ball Super 1,439,895
20 Major 2nd 1,425,722
21 Black Butler 1,403,592
22 HUNTER x HUNTER 1,365,417
23 Cardcaptor Sakura: Clear Card-hen 1,364,991
24 Gintama 1,339,124
25 Tensei shitara Slime Datta Ken 1,304,520
26 P to JK 1,228,431
27 Dungeon Meshi 1,225,788
28 Karakai Jouzu no Takagi-san 1,221,743
29 DAYS 1,216,742
30 BORUTO 1,206,518
31 Kimetsu no Yaiba 1,198,357
32 Kakegurui 1,181,393
33 Kimi ni Todoke 1,167,796
34 Komi-san wa, Community-shou desu 1,135,494
35 Yowamushi Pedal 1,121,123
36 JoJo Part 8: JoJolion 1,118,165
37 Kaguya-sama wa Kokurasetai 1,091,710
38 Shuumatsu no Harem 1,058,884
39 Tokyo Tarareba-jou 1,040,145
40 Mahoutsukai no Yome 1,016,131
41 Nigeru wa Haji daga Yaku ni Tatsu 1,010,590
42 Owari no Seraph 1,010,031
43 Saiki Kusuo no PSI Nan 992,909
44 Youjo Senki 970,146
45 Ajin 959,992
46 Chihayafuru 937,307
47 Terra Formars 935,581
48 World Trigger 929,495
49 Omoi, Omoware, Furi, Furare 914,311
50 Prison School 881,484

Basicly these are the minimum sales that each series did.Error is maybe around 50K or less for most of them.

Great work here.

How did you sort out the backlog sales for each series? Your list implies that Neverland completely sold out its last print of 2.1 million. Even though its still selling and in stock.

 

[cody]

I dont usualy post but here is my sales calculation I have done through the year
Its based on oricon and shosekiranking. Seeing the oficial top 10, my calculations are good enough too see where each series is placed.

Spoiler: My calculation

1 ONE PIECE 11,309,158
2 Shingeki no Kyojin 6,513,646
3 Kingdom 6,085,803
4 My Hero Academia 5,894,656
5 Tokyo Ghoul:re 5,255,506
6 Haikyuu!! 4,954,440
7 Nanatsu no Taizai 3,414,643
8 One Punch-Man 3,116,968
9 Shokugeki no Souma 2,710,150
10 Magi 2,627,110
11 Detective Conan 2,321,126
12 Promised Neverland 2,093,790
13 3-gatsu no Lion 1,920,489
14 Black Clover 1,892,501
15 Ao no Exorcist 1,809,121
16 FAIRY TAIL 1,808,863
17 Diamond no Ace Act II 1,673,333
18 Wotaku ni Koi wa Muzukashii 1,460,842
19 Dragon Ball Super 1,439,895
20 Major 2nd 1,425,722
21 Black Butler 1,403,592
22 HUNTER x HUNTER 1,365,417
23 Cardcaptor Sakura: Clear Card-hen 1,364,991
24 Gintama 1,339,124
25 Tensei shitara Slime Datta Ken 1,304,520
26 P to JK 1,228,431
27 Dungeon Meshi 1,225,788
28 Karakai Jouzu no Takagi-san 1,221,743
29 DAYS 1,216,742
30 BORUTO 1,206,518
31 Kimetsu no Yaiba 1,198,357
32 Kakegurui 1,181,393
33 Kimi ni Todoke 1,167,796
34 Komi-san wa, Community-shou desu 1,135,494
35 Yowamushi Pedal 1,121,123
36 JoJo Part 8: JoJolion 1,118,165
37 Kaguya-sama wa Kokurasetai 1,091,710
38 Shuumatsu no Harem 1,058,884
39 Tokyo Tarareba-jou 1,040,145
40 Mahoutsukai no Yome 1,016,131
41 Nigeru wa Haji daga Yaku ni Tatsu 1,010,590
42 Owari no Seraph 1,010,031
43 Saiki Kusuo no PSI Nan 992,909
44 Youjo Senki 970,146
45 Ajin 959,992
46 Chihayafuru 937,307
47 Terra Formars 935,581
48 World Trigger 929,495
49 Omoi, Omoware, Furi, Furare 914,311
50 Prison School 881,484

Basicly these are the minimum sales that each series did.Error is maybe around 50K or less for most of them.

Thanks for this great list, you put so much effort into it, it is very much appreciated! I have been following series sales for a lot of things and this seems pretty on point.

It's insane to see how close Neverland actually is to the top 10, it might not even need an anime to reach it. I underestimated it's ridiculous growth. But having an anime will definitely be essential. I feel like it might be slightly inflated since we know the series had 2.1 million copies in print not too long ago and print numbers definitely aren't exactly how much something sells. Regardless, it still easily seems to be in the top 15 and worst case scenario the top 20. The manga is quite literally a smash hit, Shueisha, you'd better not mess up the anime adaptation because this can seriously become a phenomenon since it's already an insane success without an anime and so early on.

That's about what I would've expected for Black Clover, but I would've said it was a top 20-30 series because of previous years, but there seems to be a dramatic decrease in print sales overall due to digital so the top 30 standards are lower than last year by a lot.

I'm really happy to see how much Kimetsu no Yaiba has grown, it was an underdog in every sense of the word in its early stages and now it's on its way to becoming a memorable battle shounen from the magazine that is next in line to get a lot of promotion alongside with Neverland as future bright figures of Jump.

And unrelated series from Jump I'm glad for: Wotaku ni Koi wa Muzukashii(fantastic romantic comedy for otakus), P to JK(amazing shoijo series, highly recommended), Dungeon Meshi(anime when, the series is so good, please get a good adaptation), Kaguya-sama wa Kokurasetai(it's just an amazing romcom, enough said, try it out), Komi-san wa, Community-shou desu.

 

[TyVip]

thanks for your hard work!!

interesting list

KnY is there but not Yuuna? Terra Formars which is on hiatus all year is there but not Golden Kamuy? hmmm....

Thanks for the major effort post! Bummed to not see Yuuna on here and I'm assuming it must be close to the cut-off, but was pleasantly surprised to see Komi-san make the list.

Just my speculation:

Kimetsu makes the list while Yuuna did not due to Yuuna's stagnation.They both have 2 volumes count for the 2016 sale list (Febuary to November), and if you remember Kimetsu sold was around 30k~40k, while the first two Yuuna sold 70k~100k.

Then come 2017, Kimetsu has 1 more volume than Yuuna even though they serialized at the same time , and the Kimetsu sale continues to grow slowly (example: say if Yuuna vol 1 and 2 stuck at 100k and wont grow any further, the sale won't coutn for 2017 sale). Meanwhile, Kimetsu vol 1 and 2 go from 30k to say 100k in 2017, that would be 140k increase right there

Lastly, Kimetsu 9th volume has 2.1 million in print, while YUuna only have 1.5 mil

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Neverland is the new Assassination Classroom.

 

[Tamil]

That would've been really cool if Kimetsu got into the top 30. Gintama deserves a lot more IMO, why didn't the successful live action give it a boost?

TPN is fucking killing it.

 

[Avok]

It's gonna be huge when the anime drops.