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Just because they can be controlled by the Demonic Royal Family doesn't mean the Goddesses can do the same either.If there is a method to deal with the indura I’d imagine it involves magic, which means there is a way for lesser people to control them as pets. Even the royal family casually feeds disrespectful demons to them. Point being if they can be casually herded, then graces should be enough to contain them. I doubt the indura are placed into a world seal like the entire demon clan was
Point is, the graces will do nothing against the Indura, because:
-Sariel and Tarmiel were once again defeated and couldn't recover without assistance, which Ludoshel couldn't give by himself
-Ludoshel's grace just gives speed, and since his ark can't do damage, it means the best he can do is avoid them or recover the other AA and run for it.
-The Grace dimensions can't hold people stronger than them, they would break out immediately.
-Sariel and Tarmiel couldn't do anything against Estarossa, who's arguably much weaker than two phase 2 Indura's, so even if they were available for combat in a 3AA vs 2 Indura Phase 2, the result would've been the same.
Everything suggests that the AA would have lost and as a result die, or in the best scenario, have to run away or get help from someone else, which came from Elizabeth, and coincidentally enough, he seemed very happy she appeared to help him, which I believed was because the AA were doomed without her.
The best defence you have is ''well Ludoshel has a plan'' which means nothing when we don't know what it was, or whether or not it would've worked: so I think it's fair to conclude the 3AA would've died against Indura.
71 chapters since the Goddess Elizabeth has been revealed.Be patient?
250+ chapter passed and still any sign of that lol, sure.
It is you who need to wait that before wanking her.
40+ chapters since Elizabeth has awakened.
Be patient. Just do what I am doing. Wait until Chapter 300 and if there is no development on the Elizabeth PL situation then I'll personally find Nakaba and lynch him
I'm pretty sure Elizabeth receiving back her memories doesn't equate in a power boost, it just means she has the ability to use her power much more efficiently and better, which in turn results in higher levels of effectiveness. Elizabeth with no memories should have the same maximum raw power as the Elizabeth with memories does.We have literally no statement from that at all. Hell, she didnt even awaken her memories, she could've only used her maximum non memory power. As for Nerobasta, we have no clue how strong Nerobasta is, she could be anywhere from only 1k stronger to 3k stronger. Not to mention Elizabeth focused her ark on a small part of Derriere's body. Nerobasta's ark covered the entirety and even then pieces of Derriere's skin was peeling off. It's MUCH easier to affect one part of the body by focusing on it, than attempting to destroy the entire thing.
Plus, Elizabeth quite easily roasted Derriere's hand, since she was more focused on their morality than making sure her ark did damage, unlike Nerobasta who focused entirely on her ark whilst having Derriere in a very disadvantageous position, yet she still lost, which separates how much more powerful Elizabeth's ark was to Nerobasta's.
-Her durability is strong than people pesumeBut how much more? We don't even have a number. We don't even have a scan of ark actually damaging a non demonic foe to even scale it. Hell Ludoshell's big ass blast could only slightly bruise Zeldoris. Assuming Elizabeth is what? twice as strong? It still won't kill him, and that's assuming she even lands the first hit. Her durability is very low tier as we've seen, and no actual speed feats has been displayed. Hell her reaction speed has also been shown to be extremely shoddy.
-She can still move very fast, we just don't know whether or not that corresponded to reaction speed.
That scan still shows she can move as fast as second demon mark Meliodas (even if he was holding back, but so was she since she looked relaxed lol) and it makes no sense that she wouldn't be able to move that fast when inside combat.Melidoas, who has a mark, even more complete than against Mon and Derriere, meaning at this moment, his power level is what, 80-90k? Even more? Is moving at the "same speed', as you put it, as Gloxinia and Dolor. Opponents he's supposed to be at least 25-30k ahead of at power level. Escanor who was over half an hour, (or an hour depending on translation) before noon was able to easily outspeed Estarossa to the point where he couldn't see, much less react. Same goes for a 10k level Meliodas who chopped off Ban's arm before he could even blink. Now, how would Dolor and Gloxinia, keep up with a full speed Meliodas, a Meliodas with a level MUCH higher than them? Unless you're now going to say that speed and overall power level aren't correlated lol. In any case, Mel was not going at full speed hence we cannot use that scan as a feat, especially not as combat speed since she clearly hasn't shown capability in it.
It's like saying Galan jumping 72 steps feat doesn't mean anything when inside combat when it did lol.
I mean:A) Ah then yes she can most likely do that. I'm highly doubting how much exactly she held back her 'offensiveness'. The archangels stated otherwise, and while perhaps she did hold back to some degree, I don't think the archangels would've praised her if it was by a large amount. Seems kinda useless to do that. It's like if I poked someone in the arm then my friend came up and said "HUZZUH! I see you survived Commanderaxe's poke unscratched, impressive!' It's just counter intuitive.
-She used an ark technique in a non-lethal way, she never compressed the ark bubble or tried to make it explode when Estarossa was inside, and from Nerobasta's experience, that seems to be the way to hurt someone with an ark bubble. Plus, she exploded an ark bubble on Derriere's hand so she's already established the ability to do that, but she never did.
-She never showed any intent in wanting to hurt or kill Estarossa, her primary objective was to protect Derriere.
-If she was going in for damage or for the kill, literally any other ark would've been better, even the ark blast she demonstrated against Meliodas would've been better, but she opted for a non-lethal technique instead, which only supports the idea she had the intention to only move him away and not hurt him.
-The AA's comment means nothing to me. Elizabeth was inside the the darkness, and they couldn't see what she was aiming to do and yet praised the very same ark. So to me they made expectations on the ark since they have a bias for it, hence the comment.
Plus it is counter-intuitive: Why would you expect an ark used in a non-lethal way with no aggression behind it to do damage? It's like me coming at you with a knife, but end up using the blunt side in order to try to cut you, and THEN be surprised it didn't do squat and start praising you for evading damage.
B) Proof? Her eyes were closed after the punch and that's the last we saw of her consciousness. You stated Nakaba did it for dramatic effect, or it was for plot, but that's literally just your opinion. The manga fact is, her durability allowed her to be unconscious after 1 hit from Derriere. The manga doesn't state it was for dramatic effect nor does the manga say 'it was just plot reader's dont worry'. The only time she was hit directly, she was knocked out, no changing that.
She was still conscious in the air because she was still flinching from the punch. Her body is tense = awake
And if ''dramatic effect'' is my opinion, then why does everyone else start to accept that the Elizabeth slap Meliodas only happened because of comedy effect and that is fact?
Plus, this moment doesn't really mean a lot to me, since:
-Elizabeth couldn't even react to the punch since she was off-guard
-It wasn't even a full-fight and as we know, it's much easier to knock someone out when they aren't expecting it vs when they are in battle mode.
-Elizabeth can take a hit from 2 Gods and can still stand side to side with Meliodas (with same injuries) but can't withstand one small punch from a mid tier commandment? Nonsense, and while you think the God situation means nothing, it still proves her durability is much stronger than we think.
It's not crystal clear when it your opinion.It's crystal clear her darkness dispersed the Ark.
Pure physical strength is not going to allow you to interact with an Ark since it's made of particles of light.
Also, you can still interact with the ark physically, how else do you explain the Indura being able to physically hold Elizabeth's drills of light and then be able to push them back with their hands?
Or Galan physically holding Sariel's ark?
And if we do the reverse, if you can't physically interact with light, then you can't with darkness either, but that's been disproved by Ludoshel holding darkness itself.
It's ''crystal clear'' that she used her physical strength to escape the ark, and then because of her rage, darkness followed. If darkness was the true reason she escaped then we would've seen it surrounding her body when inside the ark, but we never did, all we saw was Derriere struggling physically because she was using her strength in order to try to escape.
LOL what.This is an untrue notion.Nothing proves that the magic stat determines how potent a demon's darkness is.
Example-Meliodas.
Also you got it mixed up.Nerobasta overpowered her physical strength,not her darkness.Derierre didn't even need to weaponise her darkness to get rid of the Ark.lol
Darkness is magic, and that's determined by the magic stat, hence why Derriere's magic is pittiful weak and why it's nonsense to argue she used it to break out of the ark.
Nerobasta never overpowered Derriere's physical strength, because if that was the case she would've been able to contain Derriere, but failed to.
All this picture tells me is that she wasn't expecting it to happen and didn't have enough time to react to it anyway due to her being shocked at understanding Elizabeth's true identity.Yeah,nooo..
Derriere allowed it.
1) Not enough timeShe easily could've easily coated her hand in darkness before Eli got the chance to finish her sentence and explode the Ark.
2) Elizabeth's light would've overpowered the darkness anyway.
Not really. She made them heavily desperate and on the edge of being purified, if it was a 1v1, she would've succeeded in doing so. The Indura could barely handle one drill of light,so if she combined the two drills of light into a big and much more powerful one against one Indura, they would've been significantly overwhelmed and purified.Sounds like fanfic
Meliodas can low-mid diff 1v1 the Kings outside Assault Mode, but in a 1v2 against them when they are perfectly healthy, even he admitted he can't win, same thing here with Elizabeth vs Indura.
He's still passive and not battle ready, so of course his defences are weaker.He's in Assault mode.There's no need for manually put up defences since he's already in a mode that's ready for battle.
She's displayed more techniques because she has her memories, which gives her access to all her previous abilities, but that doesn't mean they are as powerful. Plus, Elizabeth herself stated her power isn't what it ''used'' to be, and since the awakened Elizabeth made this comment, it's obvious she was referring to Goddess vs human power.I could argue that this is an outlier too
Also current Elizabeth powers isn't that limited.She's displayed way more techniques than her previous incarnations.The only thing left for her to do is use her light drills thingies.
There's also the fact that the Archangels made no distinction between current Elizabeth and Elizabeth from 3000 years ago as far as power is concerned when addressing said power.
Also the AA making no distinction makes no sense. The demons or ten commandments never made a distinction from Assault Meliodas to 60k/second demon mark Meliodas when in his presence, until the Assault Mode came out of nowhere.
Yes it was.That wasn't a basic Ark.
-It didn't take Elizabeth much effort to use it.
-It's not complex and I'm pretty sure any Goddess can use it, even someone like Nerobasta. An ark blast isn't complex.
-It's not as powerful as her stronger techniques, such as Let There Be Light, and because of that, it's basic.