He never disagreed that Neo Eclipse isn’t universal. Being universal/continental means you can casually access that power whenever. Zeref needed fairy heart to go God mode & the space between time/timelapse to use Neo Eclipse. Meaning he can’t use it casually, if he could the entire war would of never happened. Zeref isn’t continental without FH, shit even August and Irene surpassed him magically. Zeref was just a forefather of magic, does not mean he was the strongest in the world. That’s why it was disappointing how Natsu defeated him.
Where did this even come from, Zeref is dead and gone
And I stated that he could only do it with Neo eclipse. And no just because he needed FH for ther feat doesn't mean he isn't at that level. Going by that logic Everything six paths madara did can't be attributed to him because he needed to absorb the tailed beasts b4 entering that mode. Zeref (in fairy heart mode) is capable of destroying the universe (with neo eclipse). Is that better?
Also I was just trying to prove that anyone spriggan level or higher is continental based off statements and feats from said spriggans. The zeref thing was just an omake.
If someone can destroy a universe, doesn't matter what methods they use, its a feat. One doesn't have to shoot a beam out their ass and explode everything in order to be universal. And in actuality zeref destroying the world this way would have been even more impressive than just blowing everything up because he would not only be destroying the mateial inside the universe but also the space and time. And he could do all that by just walking through a door. That is hax my friend.
Bro zeref was walking to the door that isn’t proof of him being universal lvl in a 1v1 fight that feat is unless. Now tell me what are FH zeref feats? that guy got casually stomp by base natsu. Zeref in my eyes wasn’t that powerful his immortality is the reason why people consider top tier.
@Jean Grey it means that thanos isn’t universal level that like saying that future trunks in universal lvl because he went back in the past to change the future.
Bro zeref was walking to the door that isn’t proof of him being universal lvl in a 1v1 fight that feat is unless. Now tell me what are FH zeref feats? that guy got casually stomp by base natsu. Zeref in my eyes wasn’t that powerful his immortality is the reason why people consider top tier.
@Jean Grey it means that thanos isn’t universal level that like saying that future trunks in universal lvl because he went back in the past to change the future.
How would he not be able to use it 1v1? When zeref has the power of Fairy heart he has infinite magic power so he can always create the gate. And zeref can control the timelapse from anywhere. Meaning he can perform the feat anywhere he wants to. Hell when he was going to walk through the door he was in a 1v1. Your argument doesnt really make sense. Again it doesn't have to be an explosion out of his ass (which wouldn't work anyway when it comes to destroying a universe). Having a technique that allows one to destroy the world and make a new one is universal level.
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Also future trunks didn't erase any worlds by travelling to the past. He just went to an alternate timeline. Nothing he did affected the existence of any worlds.
@Jean Grey it means that thanos isn’t universal level that like saying that future trunks in universal lvl because he went back in the past to change the future.
Here is the truth about Acnologia and zeref...........
Neither one of them are Continental level or even country level. The only Country level feat we have gotten so far is from Irene and that was with Preparation. Acnologia best attack to date is him destroying Tenrou island. No character in Fairy Tail is Country level. The Strongest characters we have gotten so far are at best City Level.
Now when talking about FH Zeref+Timelapse then yes Zeref is Universal level. If Zeref used the Timelapse he would have changed History(Fact) in which case yes that would be considered a Universal feat.
In Chapter 254 it is said
long ago just one dragon by itself was
able to destroy an entire country on its own
It is mentioned in the book History of the Dragon
Well we can scale from the Spriggans where Wall Eehto is Large Country from his Magical Confinement Fusion attack’s which are based on magnetic confinement fusion. Even Brandish is described to erase entire countries, and in Ft, small countries like Fiore are the said of the US continent. And even Irene compressed said nation, where as August was going to destroy it. Even back in edolas arc, Dorma Anim was absorbing the magic of the entire planet, so there are a few overlooked feats. Even Dragon Cry has enough power to destroy Ishgar which Natsu defeated the dragon who ate and harnessed it’s power
How would he not be able to use it 1v1? When zeref has the power of Fairy heart he has infinite magic power so he can always create the gate. And zeref can control the timelapse from anywhere. Meaning he can perform the feat anywhere he wants to. Hell when he was going to walk through the door he was in a 1v1. Your argument doesnt really make sense. Again it doesn't have to be an explosion out of his ass (which wouldn't work anyway when it comes to destroying a universe). Having a technique that allows one to destroy the world and make a new one is universal level.
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Also future trunks didn't erase any worlds by travelling to the past. He just went to an alternate timeline. Nothing he did affected the existence of any worlds.
Because that “infinite magic” was bs to the point that he was defeated by base natsu by ur logic base natsu has same power to be a unviveral lvl because he overcame “infinite magic” secondly bro he was changing the world as in change the past not creating a new one. He even said it that he will save this world. Thirdly FH zeref is weaker than ancologia so how the hell is zeref universal lvl when ancologia isnt even closer to that lvl. Ancologia at best is continental lvl
Here is the truth about Acnologia and zeref...........
Neither one of them are Continental level or even country level. The only Country level feat we have gotten so far is from Irene and that was with Preparation. Acnologia best attack to date is him destroying Tenrou island. No character in Fairy Tail is Country level. The Strongest characters we have gotten so far are at best City Level.
Now when talking about FH Zeref+Timelapse then yes Zeref is Universal level. If Zeref used the Timelapse he would have changed History(Fact) in which case yes that would be considered a Universal feat.
With Natsu, with his wild flames, it was technically much stronger than his other forms, as it had to become hot enough to distort space and time, which is possible through energy-stress. And his flames are described the flames of emotion, the more emotional he got the more intense the flames get.
Here is the truth about Acnologia and zeref...........
Neither one of them are Continental level or even country level. The only Country level feat we have gotten so far is from Irene and that was with Preparation. Acnologia best attack to date is him destroying Tenrou island. No character in Fairy Tail is Country level. The Strongest characters we have gotten so far are at best City Level.
Now when talking about FH Zeref+Timelapse then yes Zeref is Universal level. If Zeref used the Timelapse he would have changed History(Fact) in which case yes that would be considered a Universal feat.
Did you read the manga? It doesn't really support what your saying at all. Country demolished is literally in Brandish name. An while he knew more magic than his dad, August was clear in who was stronger between them. Fiore is the size of a small continent, and both Irene and August demonstrated the ability to alter or wipe it out at will. So the idea that nobody is over city is laughable.
Did you read the manga? It doesn't really support what your saying at all. Country demolished is literally in Brandish name. An while he knew more magic than his dad, August was clear in who was stronger between them. Fiore is the size of a small continent, and both Irene and August demonstrated the ability to alter or wipe it out at will. So the idea that nobody is over city is laughable.
August said that he is destroy the entire country with that spell, the chapter just so happens to just focus on Magnolia because that is the focal point of the story.
Irene was shown to multi task if she can fight Acnologia as well.
It is based on the size measurement from the distance between Magnolia and Hargeon which is 370 km apart. So it would be roughly 3481 km in diameter
Incorrect, he was clear he planned to destroy Fiore, not just the city of Magnolia. An he was going to turn it to ashes. Disintegrating a city takes more energy and is calced higher.
Acnologia arrived moments after she spoke to her subordinates So the majority of that prep was accomplished while combating the most powerful mage shown in the series. She also held the spell effortlessly throughout the rest of her appearance, clearly shown by how the country reverted only after her death.
VSBattle and se veral other calc sites. I suggest you give them a once over. They have some pretty useful cells amongst all the debates and fanboy wars.
Also, where is this only city lvl argument coming from that I keep seeing? We just gonna ignore Tenrou, and act like Brandish didn't shrink an island into on her introduction?
A number of reasons honestly.
1) I'm a member of several battle boards, and the overall ranking of one of my favorite series is important to me.
2) The story is very clear about what the Spriggans bring to the table, an the large gap in power between them and all of the previous top dark guilds of Fiore makes them surviving their earlier invasion that much more impressive.
3) Lowball annoys me almost as much as wank
4) I love debating, always have.
5) making fictional characters battle to the death is one of my favorited parts of comic/anime fandom. As well as my favorite pastime as an adult, because it's free.
Not much to talk about other than power ranking tbh. The chapters come out every 2 weeks, and the ships are basically all confirmed, so this is pretty much it.
Don't think anyone from Fairy Tail can straight up destroy a continent with one attack. Acnologia with the space-time magic can probably do it with multiple attacks given enough time. Natsu's AoE with demolition fist is mountain-level used against Ikutasunagi. His body heat extends an AoE the size of the Lake above Magnolia, so like town or city level. Fairy Heart didn't make Zeref universal, but it did make him stronger than everyone but Natsu and Acnologia... which is really all that was needed for the plot.
Irene and August should be continent level or so from Irene’s spell reshaping US size Fiore. Even other Spriggans would be around country level from Wall’s magical confinement fusion. Dragon Cry should be higher with Ishgar.
Irene and August should be continent level or so from Irene’s spell reshaping US size Fiore. Even other Spriggans would be around country level from Wall’s magical confinement fusion. Dragon Cry should be higher with Ishgar.
The distance from Magnolia to Hargeon is 370 km in distance. And so the length of Fiore from north to south by comparison is roughly 4804 km. Wall is country level from magical confinement fusion which is based on actual nuclear fusion process. From Etherion it is Large Country, while his first MCF attack is around Country.
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