You don't know me personally but yet you keep making assumption about me and making your post rathe personal. And they come of as insults, so I've reported you to a MoD. I asked you to stop. I'm not Misguided, I understand very well. Debate your point, facts and your opinion about the manga and topic. Everything else is extra and as a mature person and user on the forum this is how i'll handle the situation.
Now Go back and Re read the chapter for your self, and pay careful attention. It is said it takes Hours to escape Big Mom's territory. That is said during the whole conflict of the Fishman Pirates Protecting and saving the StrawHat Pirates, before Jimbei even stays back as a rear Guard. In the same Chapter Big Mom Eats the cake and jumps back up to go handle the situation.. All in the same chapter, when she catches back up only minutes have passed......All the Cake did was serve as a distraction because she believed a Cake to be on their Ship. His cooking wasn't hype levels period...Fans were wasting on Hype ass cooking and didn't get that...We got Big MoM loved it and she's about to kick ass, not impressive at all.
1) After seeing Luffy beat up Fishman, Take down Warlords, Take on the Goverment and countless others, he didn't think the crew would try to save him, want to save him, or were capable of saving him from his fate??? That's a lack of trust. He could have shouted and hurt Luffy with his words, the one kick off the carriage was enough. Luffy never fought back so he kept on pummeling until he would drop. It's stupid, period. Many see how Sanji was very flawed in his decision here to beat up on his captain. You think e had no other choice...I see many other choices, no do I see him being coerced him that direction he chose that path on his own...He was wrong..We'll see the backlash with the 1st Mate during or after Wano.
2) It's Pathetic, for him to cry about It. Oda almost assassinated all of his coolness WCI
3) Really Bobbin, that's who you mention...Daifuku owned him. Over caught a cheap shot, no skirmish o be talked off. Rizen, again really this is who you mention. No burn for Sanji. Sanji fights, he takes the #3 opponent, he showed no prowness the whole Arc...One Piece is Adventure action/battle manga...It's suppose to be filled with fights.
4) I didn't say Sanji didn't save Luffy. Obviously he did. And Obviously he got a ton of help doing it, and he didn't have to ask for the help he needed the help.
That's fine. But It's honestly not hard to read, the mistakes are minor. Your opinion and how you understand or perceive the manga and characters are being respected. We are here to share, more often debate and ideally come to a agreed consensus; Or find other ideas to talk about. So yea I'm rubbed the wrong way a little when you say I don't understand what I'm reading (Teenage Graphic Novel) at all and that I'm misguided for my opinion. It's rude why, converse if you only mean to be little.
I honestly only have 1 issues with your point of view and it's minor. Which is I took Big Mom Hours to wake up . She too hours to ravel back to the battle; but she bounce back after eating this amazing cake pretty quickly. It Didn't all the events happen in 1 chapter consecutively. So just trying to get you to see that little fact of the arc and situation to how effective or spectacular Sanji's cooking actually was, or that a lot of people thought this cake would satisfy Big Mom in quite a way . In combined showings and characterization during that arc. Like I said loved the character, didn't love how he carried through that arc. His family even though jerks imo were cooler than Sanji Judge aside. They were very relevant, while Sanji at best has a cake and lucky assisted save from his cool family lol.
Everything else I'm happy to debate about or differences and or find middle ground on some subjects
You shouldn't take my words as insults just because they are towards you. Just because I call you misunderstanding or misguided are hardly insults. People get confused, people make mistakes. No reason to make it a big deal with our talk that you try to insert the mods in. If your serious, then try to please know the different of someone trying to insult you and someone pointing something out in an calm manner. Just saying to ya, no hate.
Now if we clear things up, here are my counters to your argument, but don't take my words as insults or jabs at you. Now again, you prove my point on you gus focusing on fighting and lost the purpose of what One Piece is as it's not only about fighting, it's more about that as Oda showcased it many times and shown different type of genres in this and how characters work. Right now, your speaking out of your own ideals, not Oda's. There is a reason why majority see this as one of the greatest arc so far in NW and I am telling you the reason why:
1. Again, you need to reread the arc as never Sanji doubted Luffy or the others in this. Heck, Sanji was the one who said Luffy will be the Pirate King, he has one of the most dedication and respect to him. Though just because he has, it doesn't stop someone from being blackmail and force into situations they can't control. You keep saying there were choices, but there were clearly none. His family again were "RIGHT THERE" (Emphasizing, not yelling). Luffy hop on the carriage and they were right there. You can't expect Sanji to easily go with him and talk about what's happening. The moment he gets defiant, Zeff is killed by his action and they do more worse that affect others than his being. It wasn't because he is worried more about Luffy and the others, it's blackmail and what was holding him. That is evident no matter how you slice it as they had something on it. Try getting blackmail in real life and see how it works for you. If you screw up thinking "Oh I can get out of this easily, all I need to ask others for help" then you don't know how hard it is under that pressure as it's not always simple and this was one of them.
2. Nah, he make him more character and emotions instead of a emo character that would be boring and bad. Characters are like real life people, then aren't soulless beings. Everyone in the crew cries from Luffy, Zoro, and so on. When your in a stressful situation, you can't just keep all your feelings in and not feel anything at all. This is the thing we are talking about on you and others not truly understanding the character especially his debut when after leaving Baratie, Sanji had a tearful goodbye. To say it's bad to cry for him and others shows you weren't paying attention to characters and their development as they are as people and concern more on fighting.
3. Bobbin has 100 million bounty +. Those above 100 million, aren't jokes and when Daifuku owned him? All I remember Sanji running to save the family and Daifuku came from behind to grab him and capture along with everyone else. That's not a fight dude and wasn't the main purpose of the arc. Sanji showcased many times his fighting lvl. He shown lvl of strength more on taking Daifuku's Genie especially the Giant Version of it later in the arc and show power against Oven. Sanji has strength to show to others and your complaining over it not being 1 vs 1 long term which would be impossible given the situation. No room for 1 vs 1 for everyone and Luffy got his due to situations. You can see that as the crew don't respect 1 vs 1 matchups and try to interfere in a fight.
"One Piece is a Battle Shounen", just because a series has fights in it, doesn't mean it is ALL ABOUT THE FIGHTS (Emphasizing, not yelling). This isn't Dragon Ball dude. Shounens have different ways on doing battles and be more than just those fights and One Piece is those that don't put fights as ti's only main attraction. So you can't use that as a good argument to expect 24/7 fighting when it doesn't make sense for the situation to use or lean on that just like with WCI here as it's more Impel Down Arc in retrieving someone than beating someone. Luffy never beat the top guys in Impel Down, Marineford Arc, Zou Arc, and so on. Sometimes situations aren't handle in the way your thinking and that's a good reason why and still make the arc great.
4. It make sense why everyone was helping each other. That's a Yonko Group, not average crew. They are angry and after Luffy more as main target. Sanji can dodge them around, but won't be scot-free. Plus Luffy's weight add to decreasing his speed, he wouldn't be able to get away against superior fighters there like Oven and such. It was escaping, not fighting as that wasn't a good time for it.
Also again to your comment, the cake did work and Big Mom woke up hours later, not right away as if she did that, then she would have catch up to them. Your not seeing the transition well and their translations as it said it take 3 hours to leave the territory. Which mean, Big Mom woke up around 2 hours+ when they were about to leave fully. If this was before she just ate the came and they were still leaving, wouldn't you think she catch up soon, but it took awhile before she reach the group in the end and the Strawhats were still able to escape? You know Manga can't handle time as the Anime and they have ways to show 'transitions' in striping away to show time and to another scene. That was Oda did to show time has past.
Glad your a fan, but as a fan, you shouldn't act like this way over someone debating your points and not trying to anger you. Plus your points are being counter and have reason on why we are countering you. We aren't aiming you for hate, but being honest and how it make sense. If you want to know how truly how the arc was. Please go to the Youtube channels I mention and judge after hearing how those guys detail and explain the arc to know why majority still love and enjoy it while understanding while all situations went the way they are. Sanji didnt' lose anything on his character and fighting and actually gain more out of it. Latest page of him showing his character is proof of that and we will see more of that along with his fighting since Wano is more dominate arc to fight on now.
Have patience and you see what we all mean. Sorry again for misunderstanding, but don't be sensitive in our talk if I tell you your points are not as accurate or factual as you think.
