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    Sticky: Poll: [Chapter] Re: Naruto 699/700 Discussion - The End

    It's all about consistency. Goku worked as a simple protagonist because he was written that way from start to finish. I don't think Luffy can be considered as simple or the same as Goku, especially...
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    [Discussion] Re: Romance & Society in Naruto

    Yeah, Hinata gets credit for seeing through Naruto's obnoxious act first, but for some reason I didn't think that singled her out as "the one" for Naruto. I think it points more towards the fact that...
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    Sticky: Poll: [Chapter] Re: Naruto 699/700 Discussion - The End

    Yeah, I agree with that. Shippuuden was actually really exciting in the beginning when Sakura and Naruto were showing off their new techniques and chasing down Sasuke. And even when I go back and...
  4. [Discussion] Re: is it just me or was the Naruto and Sasuke, actual, fight a draw?

    Wow, I come back to this thread days later and it's devolved into a discussion about who knows MA best. Why don't we skip the convoluted discussion on so-called elemental advantages and just focus on...
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    [Discussion] Re: Romance & Society in Naruto

    I appreciate the acknowledgment of there being some type of development between Naruto and Sakura from someone who prefers NH. At least some are still objective. As for people who support NS, I liked...
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    [Discussion] Re: Romance & Society in Naruto

    I think you're missing the point with my recent comment. The point was that the romance should have remained open-ended. It was, like you said, a guessing game rather than actual romantic development...
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    Sticky: Poll: [Chapter] Re: Naruto 699/700 Discussion - The End

    Kishi wasted a lot of pages on things that didn't relate to any powerful themes throughout the story (i.e. who Ino married). Not sure if he forgot, but the messiness of this ending makes me think...
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    [Discussion] Re: Romance & Society in Naruto

    I find it funny that you still care about this long-dead discussion so much. "Not just fanbase desire" is an interesting phrase, particularly because it can also exemplify how much the bond between...
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    [Discussion] Re: Doflamingo's Fate

    Whether he escapes or not, DD will lose his Shichibukai status. There's no way he can get away with putting everyone in Dressrosa under the terror of the bird cage and the ten years he had plenty of...
  10. Poll: [Predictions] Re: The Search for Straw Hat's New Nakama... - 3rd edition

    Lol, you know all the available options are unlikely when people are genuinely discussing Caesar becoming the next nakama.

    Seriously though, he's a conniving man who discarded his own men, stole...
  11. [Discussion] Re: is it just me or was the Naruto and Sasuke, actual, fight a draw?

    I think the translations drastically alter one's perception of that scene. I only read that Naruto had difficulty moving and that they would both eventually die, not that Naruto would die from...
  12. [Discussion] Re: is it just me or was the Naruto and Sasuke, actual, fight a draw?

    Naruto vs. Sasuke will invariably come up since either side will try to justify how the final battle panned out due to the prior events. It makes sense since this is a thread about the victor of the...
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    [Fantasy] Re: is it just me or was the Naruto and Sasuke, actual, fight a draw?

    Naruto was continuously exhausting himself too. The bijuu chakra simply prevented him from fizzling out quickly, given that he was doing multiple things at once: supplying chakra to the shinobi...
  14. [Discussion] Re: is it just me or was the Naruto and Sasuke, actual, fight a draw?

    The more I read these recent posts, the more my opinion has changed. I used to think it was more of a draw with that symbolic victory going to Naruto, but I now think that's an understatement. It all...
  15. [Discussion] Re: is it just me or was the Naruto and Sasuke, actual, fight a draw?

    You don't represent all Sasuke fans. Defensive much? In all fairness, there are people who are irrational about either Sasuke or Naruto. Claiming otherwise with only yourself as an example isn't...
  16. [Discussion] Re: is it just me or was the Naruto and Sasuke, actual, fight a draw?

    Did you even read what he said? See below. It's that whole physical tie and symbolic victory for Naruto thing. Which is what the story obviously indicated if you don't over-think it.
  17. [Discussion] Re: is it just me or was the Naruto and Sasuke, actual, fight a draw?

    The real issue lies with either side emphasizing Naruto or Sasuke's handicap as if to tip the scale whichever way they'd like to see. Or whichever way makes them feel better. The scene didn't present...
  18. Poll: [Predictions] Re: The Search for Straw Hat's New Nakama... - 3rd edition

    Yeah, none of the current options are obvious. I'm not expecting anyone in the Dressrosa arc to become a nakama. Bart just strikes me as too much of a fanboy to put himself on equal footing with the...
  19. Poll: [Predictions] Re: The Search for Straw Hat's New Nakama... - 3rd edition

    I'd be surprised if Kinemon or Momonosuke joined. Sure, they bond well with the crew and exhibit some of the key traits of nakama (reliability, loyalty, etc.), but Kinemon seems more like someone who...
  20. [Discussion] Re: is it just me or was the Naruto and Sasuke, actual, fight a draw?

    Then there isn't much left to debate. Although to be honest, debating power levels and hindrances would make one think you're trying to justify one character's capabilities over another, especially...
  21. [Discussion] Re: is it just me or was the Naruto and Sasuke, actual, fight a draw?

    It's "overemphasizing" when people use Sasuke's handicap as if to prove he should have been stronger than Naruto. This may not be what you're trying to prove, but it's that implication that I was...
  22. [Discussion] Re: is it just me or was the Naruto and Sasuke, actual, fight a draw?

    Well yes, Sasuke was at a disadvantage if you compare his Rinnegan to the optimal form of the Rinnegan. I saw what ninjabot was saying, but we're comparing Sasuke's advantages/disadvantages to...
  23. [Discussion] Re: is it just me or was the Naruto and Sasuke, actual, fight a draw?

    Er.. everything you're saying "falls apart" simply because you're assuming Sasuke's competence with the Rinnegan exclusively determines his ability. It's not just the Rinnegan. He was using the...
  24. [Discussion] Re: is it just me or was the Naruto and Sasuke, actual, fight a draw?

    ... no, I'm not trying too hard for anything. It looks like you'll only be convinced that he wasn't handicapped if he demonstrated most of Nagato's techniques. But this is ridiculous because the...
  25. [Discussion] Re: is it just me or was the Naruto and Sasuke, actual, fight a draw?

    If you look at the same information with other circumstances in mind, then the conclusion is the opposite of what you're trying to prove. Four out of fifteen abilities is nearly a third of the...
  26. [Discussion] Re: is it just me or was the Naruto and Sasuke, actual, fight a draw?

    @ninjabot - A lot of this argument about who is stronger at full energy, who has more advantages, who is better at strategy, etc. is entirely fruitless for the purposes of the final battle. Naruto...
  27. [Discussion] Re: is it just me or was the Naruto and Sasuke, actual, fight a draw?

    They were 12 and grew since then. I don't see how their achievements as genin prove anything about their tactical prowess for the final battle, since Naruto clearly grew leaps and bounds....
  28. [Discussion] Re: is it just me or was the Naruto and Sasuke, actual, fight a draw?

    If anything, Naruto was usually the one to demonstrate utmost creativity during a battle. Sasuke could do the same, but Naruto was noteworthy for it. Even if the battle had been more strategic, they...
  29. [Discussion] Re: is it just me or was the Naruto and Sasuke, actual, fight a draw?

    Yep, it was a draw in terms of the outcome, but it was more of a symbolic battle than an indication of who was actually stronger. So, I don't know... even if you rooted for Naruto and it didn't pan...
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    Sticky: [Movie] Re: The Last: Naruto the Movie

    Then I think you're missing my point too. Because there's not much to disagree with if you're talking about the tendency of people with Kaguya's genes to excel above those who don't have them. But...
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    Sticky: [Movie] Re: The Last: Naruto the Movie

    There's nothing contradictory. You can't simply discount the number of stellar shinobi without KG simply because it's smaller compared to the number of stellar shinobi from famous clans. It's...
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    [Discussion] Re: Characters who should have died

    I was honestly expecting the story to go that way for a while. The Tobi/Obito thing was interesting and had a lot of potential, but it was messed up by the Madara, Juubi, and SoSP crap. Nagato,...
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    Sticky: [Movie] Re: The Last: Naruto the Movie

    I'm not arguing that equal numbers of elite shinobi come from the renowned clans versus the normal folk. I'm just saying that there is a formidable number of normal people who can make it to a...
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    Sticky: [Movie] Re: The Last: Naruto the Movie

    Okay, if we're talking about averages, then KG users definitely have the advantage. I'm not sure if I would go so far as to call people with genetic advantages "godfolk" or that hard work was...
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    Sticky: [Movie] Re: The Last: Naruto the Movie

    It's not a non-issue. This entire post is a massive denial of what the story had actually proposed. People don't walk around calling every Uchiha or Hyuuga a prodigy. The definition of "prodigy"...
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    Sticky: [Movie] Re: The Last: Naruto the Movie

    In addition, there were plenty of ninjas without notable clans who exceeded those with a genetic advantage. Good examples are Minato and Gai. Minato died from sealing the Kyuubi, not because he...
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    Sticky: [Movie] Re: The Last: Naruto the Movie

    The funny part is the statement that she'll have monstrous powers. The idea that she "will" get to that level means she's not there yet. Some just seem extremely sour that she never got to show off...
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    Sticky: [Movie] Re: The Last: Naruto the Movie

    I don't even care anymore, and people should just talk about the Last if they're incapable of reading comprehension. Heritage matters, duh. I never said it carried no weight. But it's not everything.
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    Sticky: [Movie] Re: The Last: Naruto the Movie

    Do you know what's trash? The idea that lineage is the sole determination of excellence when history, life, and Naruto's story (in Part 1) all prove otherwise. It's 99% perspiration and 1%...
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    Sticky: [Movie] Re: The Last: Naruto the Movie

    Agreed, I had various issues washing down how many of the pairings went, simply because I was accustomed to anticipating what I thought was a build-up to NaruSaku. And I was more excited about seeing...
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    Sticky: [Movie] Re: The Last: Naruto the Movie

    I'll just re-post something Ryodraco put up:




    On the whole, the review seems pretty accurate. The movie's mainly about NaruHina, Sakura gets a bit of time to show off her powers, and...
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    Sticky: [Movie] Re: The Last: Naruto the Movie

    ... Hyuuga ninjutsu has been described as the ultimate taijutsu . It requires great chakra control, but so do a lot of other jutsus. The ultimate chakra control has only ever been attributed to...
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    Sticky: [Movie] Re: The Last: Naruto the Movie

    @kkck I agree with just about everything... except the part where there isn't any reason for a Hyuuga not to be able to learn Tsunade's style. There is a reason. Her style requires the ultimate...
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    [Discussion] Re: Characters who should have died

    While your ideas are valid and would make a realistic story, I feel Nagato's death at Naruto's hands is another extreme, just like Naruto's blind eye to Nagato's wrongdoing is an existing extreme in...
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    [Discussion] Re: Characters who should have died

    I don't think Nagato's revival of everyone was bad plot development, but hear me out. If everyone who had died remained dead, we'd have the opposite issue of people complaining about the author...
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    Sticky: [Movie] Re: The Last: Naruto the Movie

    We could argue about where to draw the line for "average shinobi" and never conclude anything. I don't find the argument about the Sound 4 particularly compelling because it's not like they were...
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    Sticky: [Movie] Re: The Last: Naruto the Movie

    It's not as simple as Kid Neji > Average Hyuuga. For talent, that is correct, but but for ability/techniques, it is not. He didn't pass the Chuunin exam the first time for a reason. The spectators...
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    [Discussion] Re: Characters who should have died

    Yeah, Gai should have died. The fact that Naruto (probably under half his age) could revive and trump him moments after he executed the long-awaited, signature 8 gates was one of the biggest troll...
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    Sticky: [Movie] Re: The Last: Naruto the Movie

    So we've reasonably proven that Hinata has acquired the abilities of Kid Neji. But still, he taught himself those techniques at a younger age.. again, I've kind of forgotten what each of us are...
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    Sticky: [Movie] Re: The Last: Naruto the Movie

    Right, it's true that Shizune didn't get the opportunity to shine on the battlefield. We know she has hidden poison darts and poison mist. Otherwise, she's been seen leading important efforts, such...
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