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    [Fantasy] Re: Sasuke vs Shinju Madara

    @ninjabot




    You can try twisting those words as much as you like, what he is stating is that immortality is possible to him now that he has said doujutsu. He does not claim he is at that...
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    [Fantasy] Re: Sasuke vs Shinju Madara

    @Holt




    There is a perfect indication of it. Hashirama had MORE chakra then Naruto before he got his latest power from Hogoromo. Hashirama = both half of Kurama's chakra (stupid but fact),...
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    [Fantasy] Re: Sasuke vs Shinju Madara

    A genjutsu that had 0 effect on Sasuke's and Naruto's effectiveness in a fight. Madara got back and showed no concern into fighting them. Him wanting to begin the IT does not mean he was running...
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    [Fantasy] Re: Sasuke vs Shinju Madara

    @Holt



    I am referring to Madara + tree + both eyes + the help of BZ Obito that was next to him.



    Actually I am not. Its still extremely hax.
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    [Fantasy] Re: Sasuke vs Shinju Madara

    @Holt



    I not only believe Madara would do better then Kaguya but I believe he would have WON. Madara was not as inept as Kaguya to have BZ dumb Obito's body with BOTH KAMUI EYES IN IT and...
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    [Fantasy] Re: Sasuke vs Shinju Madara

    @ninjabot




    There is no indication they created chakra. Other explanations exist, like them still having whatever chakra they had when they died. What you are doing is saying "I don't know...
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    [Fantasy] Re: Sasuke vs Shinju Madara

    @ninjabot




    Yeah, here is the thing, he has no BODY, ROFL! Its irrelevant how something he does not have works, get it?



    You have anything to disprove already established facts on...
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    [Fantasy] Re: Sasuke vs Shinju Madara

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    I think you are forgetting how senjutsu is created, 1 part nature energy, 1 part spiritual energy and 1 part physical energy. Aside for the obvious "where did he got that...
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    [Fantasy] Re: Sasuke vs Shinju Madara

    @ninjabot




    Its impossible for him to gave them half and half his chakra, if he did that how is he performing jutsu following that? Where did he got the chakra for it? He gave SOME of his...
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    [Fantasy] Re: Sasuke vs Shinju Madara

    Madara HAS Hogoromo's chakra. The 2 progenitors together granted him the eyes because he gained Hogoromo's chakra. Hogoromo AND his brother defeated the Juubi together, let's also not forget that....
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    [Fantasy] Re: Sasuke vs Shinju Madara

    @ninjabot



    He had regenerative powers but that does not define his immortality. His immortality was gained once he had something similar to Kaguya's powers. The fact that he can be damaged is...
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    [Fantasy] Re: Sasuke vs Shinju Madara

    I think you need to skip a few pages forward, he absorbed the tree following that. Its the Madara that got sliced in half with 0 shit given, the Madara that said this:...
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    [Fantasy] Re: Sasuke vs Shinju Madara

    Madara since Sasuke can't put him down. Even if Sasuke would trash him around its meaningless if he does not have the "other hand" to seal him.

    PS. People forget that Madara could not react to...
  14. [Discussion] Re: is it just me or was the Naruto and Sasuke, actual, fight a draw?

    @ninjabot




    How does that mean you have to unlock them? Did Naruto have to unlock his "speed control" when he impaled himself in that wall trying to hit Fish Face? Gaining control over an...
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    [Fantasy] Re: Sasuke vs Naruto

    Considering the fact that he can't absorb and cast jutsus at the same time is a direct indication that he can't use Preta Path properly. Using it "properly" would mean you can do both at the same...
  16. [Discussion] Re: is it just me or was the Naruto and Sasuke, actual, fight a draw?

    @ninjabot



    You can be my guess and show me where its said he had to gradually unlock his jutsus. What the manga does show is him using an immensely powerful CT from the first try AND Kurama...
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    [Fantasy] Re: Sasuke vs Naruto

    @shahdan



    Its the same one you refuse to counter and just decide to tell me I can't form a coherent analysis. Funny how you don't address them, instead you decide to tell me its a long post...
  18. [Discussion] Re: is it just me or was the Naruto and Sasuke, actual, fight a draw?

    Both characters where new to the abilities they gained from Rikudo and thus Sasuke had NO handicap. The handicap was on Naruto's side(for other reasons). Its actually baffling how Sasuke's fans try...
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    [Fantasy] Re: Sasuke vs Naruto

    Its called building an argument. Now I have to keep repeating the same stuff over and over because you are refusing a manga panel where its flat out stated as such by Kurama in the manga. Get it? Its...
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    [Fantasy] Re: Pain (6 Paths + Nagato) vs Itachi

    Considering Nagato has 2 realms + himself with the ability to block with 0 difficulty I am going to say that blocking is a non-issue as long as he can sense with enough time so the other realms can...
  21. [Discussion] Re: is it just me or was the Naruto and Sasuke, actual, fight a draw?

    Well I guess it somewhat diverted into a MA argument but its tied to the discussion. The argument about MA was because Ninjabot was claiming "defending is easier than attacking, because it takes more...
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    [Fantasy] Re: Pain (6 Paths + Nagato) vs Itachi

    Itachi can't use Amaterasu on the other realms before those that have counters can react. Are you forgetting the fight with Edo Nagato and Itachi? Nagato was able to feel Amaterasu coming way before...
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    [Fantasy] Re: Sasuke vs Naruto

    @shahdan


    CT granted as he demonstrated it.
    outer Path - he never used it, at least I don't remember Sasuke resurrecting anybody.
    Petra Path - Using your own link, Kurama claimed Sasuke is new...
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    [Fantasy] Re: Pain (6 Paths + Nagato) vs Itachi

    Nagato as "sick" as he was in the series is just immobile guy with insane amounts of chakra.
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    [Fantasy] Re: Pain (6 Paths + Nagato) vs Itachi

    There is no reason for more then 2 realms to be able to counter Amaterasu. A sick Itachi is not spamming Amaterasu anyway. If 2 realms are present to counter said move is more then enough.
    Smoke...
  26. [Discussion] Re: is it just me or was the Naruto and Sasuke, actual, fight a draw?

    @ninjabot




    Dude you can test this out yourself, find a dojo near you and ask someone there to attack you and tell him you will only defend yourself. See how long and well you last. Then...
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    [Fantasy] Re: Pain (6 Paths + Nagato) vs Itachi

    Itachi would need to pull some insane tactic to pull it off with 6 Pein realms on his ass + summons... If Nagato notices the move he would just casually ST it back and Itachi's Susano (it would...
  28. [Discussion] Re: is it just me or was the Naruto and Sasuke, actual, fight a draw?

    @ninjabot



    I did, many times.



    Now imagine those boxers would be allowed to hit anywhere (Including the balls), use them legs and so on. Using a boxing example where you have strict...
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    [Fantasy] Re: Pain (6 Paths + Nagato) vs Itachi

    Nagato+Pein if you ask me. Itachi would need some insane luck to shake the realms and find Nagato's real location, even then, what is he going to do? Amaterasu him? Genjutsu? I don't think so.
  30. [Discussion] Re: is it just me or was the Naruto and Sasuke, actual, fight a draw?

    @M3J





    The "new to there powers" is not a handicap for both of them. The others handicap that I said before still apply.
    Naruto was NOT giving all he had to stay alive, using a small...
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    [Fantasy] Re: Sasuke vs Naruto

    @shahdan



    Actually its manga fact that Nagato had better chakra/jutsu draining abilities then Sasuke as Sasuke was new to his rinnegan. He can't even cast and absorb jutsus at the same time. ...
  32. [Discussion] Re: is it just me or was the Naruto and Sasuke, actual, fight a draw?

    @jaymizzo



    I was addressing what you said about point of view of said fight and how it can't be seen in another light then what I was posting to m3j.
    As for the fight, no, he was not able to...
  33. [Discussion] Re: is it just me or was the Naruto and Sasuke, actual, fight a draw?

    @M3J



    No, it did not. More below on what you provided.



    This is NOT a handicap. Both Naruto and Sasuke where just as new to the new abilities they BOTH GOT AT THE SAME TIME. For this to...
  34. [Discussion] Re: is it just me or was the Naruto and Sasuke, actual, fight a draw?

    Well then, let's do address Kishi. I have a question for you. Why do you think Sasuke could not even get Naruto to fight him serious(even if Sasuke was going full out and for the kill) to the point...
  35. [Discussion] Re: is it just me or was the Naruto and Sasuke, actual, fight a draw?

    @M3J

    Bleeding to death is NOT a reason as I explained before. The first thing you need to do is MOVE and find a way to stop the bleeding. Remove a peace of cloth and tie a strong bandage around...
  36. [Discussion] Re: is it just me or was the Naruto and Sasuke, actual, fight a draw?

    What you are remembering is here:
    http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/698/8

    Naruto states that if they move to much they will bleed to dead but he does not claim that they are not moving because of...
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    [Fantasy] Re: Sasuke vs Naruto

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    The best you could do is move back, find his premise and read it. The short version is that he was trying to establish a pattern for Sasuke's behavior.



    Naruto was by far more...
  38. [Discussion] Re: is it just me or was the Naruto and Sasuke, actual, fight a draw?

    That makes no sense. Assuming they could move then the first thing they would do is tie something on those arms so they don't bleed out, this is not rocket science and I refuse to believe that even...
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    [Fantasy] Re: Sasuke vs Naruto

    I actually can't believe how many posts we wasted arguing with him the fact that Sasuke could not use genjutsu in part 1 but off topic was not. He was trying to argue why Sasuke did not use most of...
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    [Fantasy] Re: Sasuke vs Naruto

    1- If Sasuke has a tool he is going to employ it at least once in all his fights. Also a genjutsu CAN be a game changer. Also a genjutsu IS that special assuming Itachi is casting it lol. Anyway the...
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    [Fantasy] Re: Sasuke vs Naruto

    @Dhazard

    This is not the random child, this is a prodigy of his clan, a bloody genius that keeps a cold head in fights. A guy that uses tactics in fights. Everything that Sasuke is denies your...
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    [Fantasy] Re: Sasuke vs Naruto

    Pre-teen does not translate into a complete imbecile ready to get killed because he wants to see them sparkles. What you are suggesting is nonsense. You use "pre-teens" to justify behavior from...
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    [Fantasy] Re: Sasuke vs Naruto

    You also have 0 evidence that he was capable of using genjutsu. There is are no hints that Sasuke had any type of ability to cast genjutsu in part 1. NOBODY said anything about it. Also if you...
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    [Fantasy] Re: Sasuke vs Naruto

    I do agree on something with you. This IS a waste of time. Please link the pages where Sasuke was showed OR AT LEAST HINTED that he can use genjutsu in part 1, you can also use the databooks to show...
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    [Fantasy] Re: Sasuke vs Naruto

    @Dhazard




    So you are comparing a human to human transplant to a human to bird transplant? ARE YOU SERIOUS? Then are you comparing organ transplant to using a jutsu trough a transplanted eye...
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    [Fantasy] Re: Sasuke vs Naruto

    @Dhazard




    No you said the crow used genjutsu to what I replied that Itachi was the one using it. To that you again disagreed and this discussion started.
    Then you moved on with Danzo on how...
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    [Fantasy] Re: Sasuke vs Naruto

    You apparently can't comprehend the difference between firing a gun and using a genjutsu. Of course, a crow can't fire a gun just as well.
    I still see 0 evidence that a crow can use genjutsu even if...
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    [Fantasy] Re: Sasuke vs Naruto

    First off you just focused on just who shoot that genjutsu ignoring everything else? I must say you keep impressing me.

    Did you really compared a bomb to a genjutsu? Genjutsu requires high...
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    [Fantasy] Re: Sasuke vs Naruto

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    No bud, its not mine, its everybody else but you. Also the databook does not support your premise that Sasuke had genjutsu in part 1 but decided to not use it in any of his fights,...
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    [Fantasy] Re: Sasuke vs Naruto

    You where talking about both of those 2 point of view, why they where fighting. That includes Naruto. You where also referring to part 2... Part 1 has the scratch headband.

    Yes you do need to...
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