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    [Discussion] Re: Romance & Society in Naruto

    I'm in the camp where people actually talked to each other that had the potential to have their relationship evolve. If NaruSaku actually had any development it would actually be on higher footing...
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    [Discussion] Re: Romance & Society in Naruto

    All signs pointed to nothing happening between the two. People saw what they wanted to see, instead of what Kishi was writing. They had opinions that Sakura was coming around, not evidence on that...
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    [Discussion] Re: Romance & Society in Naruto

    The question isn't did Sakura's opinion on Naruto change, the question is did Sakura ever develop romantic feelings for Naruto? The answer is no, and because of this fact people warped Sakura's...
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    [Discussion] Re: Romance & Society in Naruto

    Nearly everything was taken out of context. Normal interactions were elevated to romantic development on the flimsiest of rationale because Naruto and Sakura never interacted romantically with each...
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    [Discussion] Re: Romance & Society in Naruto

    Well first off, putting quality romance and shounen manga in the same sentence is an oxymoron. There just aren't any. As for development Shikamaru/Temari had 1 scene and some teasing moments, but...
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    [Discussion] Re: Romance & Society in Naruto

    Because you still view relationships as objects of "worth" rather than "development". That's not how romances work. Worth or "being worthy" is usually a plot device invoked to create conflict...
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    [Discussion] Re: Romance & Society in Naruto

    I'm not angry at all. I'm exasperated that people continue to take things out of context to prove their fan pairing, when the author clearly dictates that's not where things are going, and then...
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    [Discussion] Re: Romance & Society in Naruto

    Long Dead? This feud went on for 15 years. People should have realized NaruSaku wasn't going anywhere 50 chapters into Part II but they didn't. Why? Because they wanted things to develop between...
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    [Discussion] Re: Romance & Society in Naruto

    Absolutely nothing happened. Two years pass and Naruto and Sakura behave more adultlike with each other (but they did that with everyone they met). Is it development, yes. Is it romantic...
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    [Discussion] Re: Romance & Society in Naruto

    You mean Yammato's comment and Sakura crying? A phrase proven taken out of context and an emotional outburst, once again taken out of context. Where is this cornucopia of moments that happen...
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    [Discussion] Re: Romance & Society in Naruto

    Naruto believed Sasuke was redeemable and can return to Konoha. Sakura aligned herself with the group think that Sasuke must be destroyed. Those beliefs are in contradiction. Sakura may have felt...
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    [Discussion] Re: Romance & Society in Naruto

    Like you said she did it for Sasuke he wouldn't further injure himself. She tried to deceive Naruto and prevent him from interfering. Once she located Sasuke she disposed of her team. These are...
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    [Discussion] Re: Romance & Society in Naruto

    Sakura wasn't selfless, she was selfish. She even took out her entire team so she could face Sasuke alone. Her motivations were her own, not for the greater good.



    She didn't but Naruto made...
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    Sticky: Poll: [Chapter] Re: Naruto 699/700 Discussion - The End

    Even though he's vastly superior, his attack power has been greatly reduced. Considering how dependent the shinobi world in on ninjustu and 1-hand seeals are kekkai genkais IRRC, Sasuke got nerfed. ...
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    [Discussion] Re: Romance & Society in Naruto

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    Yes, Sakura finally does come around to "reason" and decides to kill Sasuke. What was her motivation? To protect Naruto? No, she went there to prevent Sasuke from furhter injuring himself by...
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    Sticky: Poll: [Chapter] Re: Naruto 699/700 Discussion - The End

    So now that I've had a week to think about it, does Sasuke think he'll be an effective ninja while missing his left arm? His taijutsu is severely hampered, he can't perform ninjutsu since he can't...
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    [Discussion] Re: Romance & Society in Naruto

    True. Even at the end of Part I NaruSaku still had possibility. Those comments were aimed to chapters 500, 600, and 650 for those who thought NaruSaku was still viable. But it only took one more...
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    [Discussion] Re: Romance & Society in Naruto

    Most of Sakura's character development for Part II has been nothing but her choice to love Sasuke and the fallout from that choice. The two times the choice was made in Part II were during Sakura's...
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    [Discussion] Re: Romance & Society in Naruto

    The story does not promote NaruSaku. The format of Naruto focused solely on the actions of Team 7 and since Naruto and Sakura are on Team 7 you will see them together. That's not an endorsement for...
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    [Discussion] Re: Romance & Society in Naruto

    The story was never heading in that direction. While readers supported Naruto getting Sakura Kishimto never did. Every time a potential opening occurred, Kishi would slam it shut in Parts I and...
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    Sticky: Poll: [Chapter] Re: Naruto 699/700 Discussion - The End

    Naruto was so heavily foreshadowed to finding a solution-and didn't. The problem still persists. If the foreshadowing wasn't so prevalent in the manga the plan they came up with would be...
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    Sticky: Poll: [Chapter] Re: Naruto 699/700 Discussion - The End

    Well now that everything is official, I'm glad the series has finally concluded. I guess the one thing I wished Kishi had resolved was the cycle of hate. It was one of his big arcing themes in the...
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    [Discussion] Re: Romance & Society in Naruto

    And this is the problem when obsession trumps reality. They're obsessed and don't want to acknowledge the author's work, which is the sad part of this tragedy. They want to exist in this...
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    [Discussion] Re: Romance & Society in Naruto

    Don't worry. You're not alone in the RukiIchi camp. But even Kishi is better than Kubo in writing romance, and that's saying something.

    For me, Naruto and Hinata was never in doubt. I just...
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    [Discussion] Re: Romance & Society in Naruto

    It really depends on what you mean by "developed". It's a surprisingly subjective term. If developed means full-blown declarations of love before the final chapter, then no. If developed means...
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    Sticky: Poll: [Chapter] Re: Naruto 699/700 Discussion - The End | Possible missing pages

    Really, it was just him reacting to his daughter's anger so many miles away.
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    Sticky: Poll: [Chapter] Re: Naruto 699/700 Discussion - The End

    Well, after waking up this morning and spending 30 minutes trying to download 2 chapters....IT'S FINALLY OVER!!

    Have to be honest though, I liked 699 more than 700. It's amazing what can be...
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    Sticky: Poll: [Chapter] Re: Naruto 699/700 Spoiler Discussion

    Anyone know the page count?
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    [Discussion] Re: Romance & Society in Naruto

    And there's chemistry between Naruto and Hinata in their interactions, but no-impossible pairing, no development-can't happen. Hypocrisy is rampant in the readership.
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    [Discussion] Re: Romance & Society in Naruto

    And yet, that is a telling-irony about these romances. Shika-Ten has absolutely no development between the two, acknowledgement on Temari's side, but nothing on Shikamaru's side. But everyone...
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    [Discussion] Re: Romance & Society in Naruto

    Yes, initially it was one-sided admiration, but they keep getting closer every time they are together. Considering where they were coming from, that is development. They just don't "do" some...
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    [Discussion] Re: Romance & Society in Naruto

    Yes, Kishi doesn't know how to write romance (most manga authors don't) but Kishi has also admitted that he can't. He knows his limitations as an author. So he's trying to gracefully conclude this...
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    [Discussion] Re: Romance & Society in Naruto

    Yes, Sasuke was abusive, but so was Sakura. While Sasuke's abuse was sinister, Sakura's was comical (to Naruto). They're both intelligent and ruthless when pursuing their goals. They were made for...
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    [Discussion] Re: Romance & Society in Naruto

    There's been absolutely nothing. Everything Sakura has thought about or said was for Sasuke. Regrettably, Sakura has been very 1-dimensional in this regard, she has never thought of Naruto in a...
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    Poll: [Chapter] Re: Naruto 698 Discussion / 699/700 Predictions

    Wow, the yaoi factor was off the charts for this chapters. I'm not surprised by the limited loss of blood since lightning can cauterize wounds just as well as fire can. Of course this allows Sakura...
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    Poll: [Chapter] Re: Naruto 697 Discussion / 698 Predictions

    Well...the question I have is why didn't Kakashi break Sakura out of the genjutsu. I understand it's done for positioning but it kind of a let down. Kakashi could have but doesn't; instead he...
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    [Discussion] Re: Romance & Society in Naruto

    Yes, Sakura has some of Kushina's traits. However, Naruto is already the Kushina of the relationship. You need a Minato. So which girl is more like Minato?

    While Naruto is foreshadowed to...
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    [Discussion] Re: Romance & Society in Naruto

    Wow, I did bother to read it but it took awhile.

    Sasuke wasn't in love with Sakura before he left the village. However, he did value her as a comrade. That was the bond they shared, that Sasuke...
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    [Chapter] Re: Naruto 696 Discussion / 697 Predictions

    Agreed. Now that this is nothing but a chakrafest, hopefully all the Naruto is better than Sasuke or vice-versa stuff will die down. This is a battle of ideology, not power. Sasuke has finally...
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    [Discussion] Re: Romance & Society in Naruto

    Yeah, Rowling's comments a few months back was just another rant from an author using their work as the podium to promote public policy/culture debate. Guys should be attracted to smart girls, not...
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    [Discussion] Re: Romance & Society in Naruto

    Yeah, but you have to admit it is the main battlecry of NaruSaku fans. That, and the hero always gets what he wants.
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    Poll: [Chapter] Re: Naruto 695 Discussion / 696 Predictions

    Because that's Kishi's MO. It's the final battle between the two main characters. There's going to be flashbacks. You think 2-3 more blocked attacks would change the outcome? It won't

    So sit...
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    Poll: [Chapter] Re: Naruto 695 Spoiler Discussion

    Good grief people. You honestly believe that Kishi would write a fight, especially when considering the history between these two guys, that would contain no flashbacks? If this is the extent of...
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    [Discussion] Re: Officially Announced the Series Ends in 5 Weeks

    Five chapters seems about right. 10-chapter fights are only necessary when you have to introduce new techniques to the battle lore. Sasuke and Naruto have been spamming abilities for over 25+...
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    [Discussion] Re: Romance & Society in Naruto

    Because she did two things. She declared her love for Sasuke and she showed the willingness and fortitude to accept someone she doesn't understand and had wronged her. That type of conviction is...
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    [Discussion] Re: Romance & Society in Naruto

    The discussion has shifted, the position hasn't. Sakura had a choice: to love Sasuke despite the things he had done, or cut all ties with him as the shinobi world dictates. She chose to love him.
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    [Discussion] Re: Romance & Society in Naruto

    Because you're taking the same stand as them. Sakura can't love Sakura because Sasuke has done bad things. The truth is that she can, the only thing you can question is her judgement. I changed...
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    Poll: [Chapter] Re: Naruto 694 Spoiler Discussion

    There are a lot of parallels.

    They both have black hair, wear capes, and have funky red eye(s).
    They're both strategic geniuses.
    They're motivations are primarily driven because of their...
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    [Discussion] Re: Romance & Society in Naruto

    Sasuke. While she may protect both people from bodily harm, Sakura has a vested interest in Sasuke's emotional and spiritual health that she doesn't for Naruto.
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    [Discussion] Re: Romance & Society in Naruto

    You're looking for a developed relationship to justify the choice. This is Naruto, we're never going to get that. Kishi has played at the relationship card but never bothered to fill things out. ...
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