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Also, if you notice, he's been so rushed. Like when you hear about Byakuya and everyone else, they have decades of time to train and perfect things. (Hell, we even got a glimpse of Byakuya training 100 years ago in the pendulam arc.) What's Ichigo's training been? 10 days with Urahara before SS. 3 days in SS. Time between SS and Rukia's return. (If he trained) and Vizard training which was only a few days.
Like, hell, he's captain level with like 2 months of training MAX.
I've always been a huge fan of the belief that Ichigo's bankai is soooo incomplete. I like to think that Ichigo is actually going to get better with his bankai and he WILL get a huge bankai like everyone elses.
Just a side note: Does anyone agree with me on this point?
Ichigo should never surpass Yamma. Yamma is the commander captain, and his reiatsu has been described as "legendary." Plus his sword is massively powerful. I'd like Ichigo to get strong, but never surpass him. I'd like to see a shoeen where the main character doesn't just become god.
There is something that I don't get,
1- Why are people so in awe of ishida's qunicy mode? Sure it was powerful, but mayuri stood tehre b/c he thought his bankai would block it. He was careless. IMO that attack is at most as powerful as byakuya's shuhei hakuteiken
2- Ken is strong but don't overestimate him. Again just b/c he gave himself teh name of the strongest does not mean he is. It is like me giving myself the tile of being the smartest but that is not true. Moreover, i understand he has a high SP but how impressive is it when compared to captains like shunsui, uki, unohana, and yama?
As for the next chapter, I just hope ichigo finsih it fast b/c i am really interested in the captains
I think that's the TOP 4 are very clear:
The others have a very similar level (Soi Fong,Byakuya,Kempachi,Komamura), except Hitsugaya, i think he´s weaker and Mayuri, bad fighter but impossible to be killed.
Ichigo, if he would be a Captain, he think he will be the fifth in strength.
Aizen seems to be almost as powerful as Yamamoto, but Tousen and Gin looks like they are middle-level captains.
I agree with "Hollowfied" list completely.
Especially about Unohana! http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/315.01/13/
Unohana apparently scares Kyouraku when she gets mad and if you look at her stats, she has 100 in a few areas as well, so she isn't weak either it seems.
But yes, Kyouraku and Ukitake are hinted at being among the strongest captain(since they with Unohana & Yamamoto are also the oldest captains).
Based on her stats and the respect she has from the other captains along with her calm demeanor even against both aizen and gin shows that she is quite a powerful captain. IMO she is along the level of ukitake and shunsui as many have stated. The thing is we have yet to see her strength, but most people assume that just b/c she is a healer means she is weak in combat.
ps. Wasn't there an inerview where it said that unohana will get a very in depth fight in the war??
Unohana's own discussion thread, her shikai could be capable of a lot more than just turning into a giant manta ray with restorative gastric juices.
Her profile in the databook states that her greatest strength lies in her swordsmanship. Thus, I would expect her to be pretty deadly with a sword (to the point of surgical precision). Since her stats seem to favor offense more than defense, I would expect a certain ruthlessness in battle that seems to have been hinted at by several characters throughout the manga whenever it concerned arousing her anger.
Given how relatively low her speed stats are (relative to how high other captains are), I wouldn't expect too much from her in hohou department. Her high kidou stats may be more of a reflection of her skills in healing, but I would not be surprised to see her using hadou and bakudou with a good deal of proficiency.
Well perhaps she can aptly use Bakudou as her squad is able ot use shield spells from the Bakudou arts.
As for her skills themselves, I'm sure she can be a deadly fighter f she wishes to be. Tsukisama's idea of her Zanjutsu being strong enough to pinpoint specific spots(thanks to her medical knowledge) would make for interesting fights
Also, I remember reading somewhere that the manga never stated if the manta ray was her Shikai or her Bankai. I can't seem to find any reference to either in the manga though
Yeah I'm also thinking it would be her Shikai, but someone argued it wasn't and I had no cannon proof that it was >.>
Well since we haven't seen the bankais of Ukitake and Shunsui I would also guess, that's Unohana haven't shown us her bankai, too..
I would love to see her in a fight in Huego Mundo, maybe with Yammy or sth, but then she said "We're not here to shed blood but to heal" -_-
Last edited by Gecko Moria; January 19, 2009 at 04:32 PM.