First pice of evidence kyuoraku and ukitake are THAT strong and perhabs more:
Yamamoto, who has been a shinigami for thousands of years acknowledge those two are the best. Now, why take yamas word for strenth?
Taking a look at that it is evident that captains dont really last that long in general. I dont think they all get promoted and some were said to die, so the fact that kyoraku and ukitake have been in several generations of captains and are acknowledge as strong by yama who has been captain god knows how long...
BTW you are probably the only person who would actually look down on ukitake and kyoraku for not being able to scratch yamamoto. Its a miracle in itself that those two are even alive lol.
Also movies are not cannon, you cannot use them to prove points in the manga lol(unless kubo says the movies are cannon which I dont believe he has).
A miracle that htey were alive? neither of them even had ascratch on them after the fight, neither did Yama, which suggests that they were fighting on equal terms before Aizen's treachery was revealed.
By PRAISE ALONE, I'd have to put Old Yama, Ukitake, and SHunsui in the highest tier of captain rankings for the current captains at least. Unohana maybe up there too.
THen afterwards a couple of mid tier captains such as byakuya, kenpachi, and possibly soifon.
Afterwards in the low tier I would consider Komamura (who MIGHT be in mid tier, we havn't seen him in a more prolonged fight yet where he can display his skills), Mayuri, and Hitsugaya.
THat's just my opinion.
Then Aizen would also be in the high tier, Gin would likely be mid or high tier, and I see Tousen as mid tier.
Not much was shown of the state they were in but they did show kyoraku and ukitake with a few bruises on their faces and limited bodyparts that were shown. Not to mention just the heat from yamamotos blade must be taxing too. And yama doesnt seem to beat up in the background. Also if you consider nanaos statement that it was foolish to think ikutake and kyoraku standed a chance in hell was naive, it is pretty clear how big the diference must be between them.
Tousen's bankai has so many flaws. Byakuya's shikai could defeat it. Heck, Matsumoto's shikai could defeat it even! Tousen is just an overrated lunatic.
I think Gin is exceptionally strong though. Since young he was touted to be stronger than Byakuya, and we all know how awesome Byakuya is. Gin is definitely very powerful.
Hitsugaya has tonnes of potential probably, but he hasn't harnessed all of it yet. He isn't a high level Captain right now, but he has the potential to be. Afterall his Zanpakto is the Ice/Water version of Yamma-jii's.
Zaraki is obviously strong as hell, being able to overcome the 5th espada with sheer reiatsu and brute force is insane.
I'd rank the captains like this (including the traitors)
5. Ukitake (If he wasn't sick, I'd put him on par with Kyoraku)
6. Zaraki/Byakua (Byakuya has tactics and kidou, and Zaraki is Zaraki.)
8. Ichimaru Gin
9. Hitsugaya Toushiro
10. Fox man
11. Soi Fong
12. Crazy Scientist (Rated above Tousen because with preparation, he can easily crush that blind idiot.)
I think if we r including Aizen and his group then we should include urahara and others too
i think we should include urahara , yourichi and others as well
and we dont know anything about Isshinm as well
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Yea we should do it with all the captains we've seen so far, but without there vizard powers.
1- shunssui is fighting evenly against teh 1st espada w/o bankai while ichi needed both bankai and mask to keep up with unreleased 4th espada. Big difference!!!
2- movie is not official canon, so don't bring that up
3- They are the most revered captains aside from yama, even youruichi recognized that
As for unohana being in HM, she is a healer, so she is needed. Another thing is that sending ur men into the enemy;s lair, u need to send someone u can trust to protect them, and unohana being around the longest with the others means that she is qualified for the job
Here is my list
and the other captain vizards
Last edited by Raizen; February 18, 2009 at 03:48 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
Tousen had the white thing in his flashback and in the gaiden, but wasnt mugurama captain at the time of the gaiden? Also it was implied zaraki became a captain even before the first chapter of the gaiden.
I think that Unohana is the oldest Captain. It's not an exact statement, but it is implied on this page that she's older than Shunsui and Ukitake http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/315.01/13/
Someone said that she isn't strong because yammamoto sent her with byakuya, kenpachi and mayuri to HM while taking the other captains to fake Karakura.Well, Yammamoto didn't recon that Aizen would seal the captains in HM so that they couldn't join the fight in Karakura later. Byakuya and Kenpachi were also sent to HM and I don't think they're weaker than Hitsugaya and Komamura who went with Yammamoto to fight the strongest opponents. I'm pretty sure Yammamoto would swap Hitsugaya with Unohana,Byakuya or Kenpachi if he could
I found interesting info on http://bleach.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page about Unohana. It says that swordifighting is her specialty, so she surely must have great offensive skill. Her kido is without doubt suberb. Her shikai is already a great mass healing device so it is possible that her bankai is purely offensive.
I doubt she's the strongest captain, but i'm pretty sure she's in top 3,4 , not counting Aizen and Yammamoto.
Those stats dont reflect actual strength but potential. In that sense, the info they give doesnt really tell us anything about how strong she actually is but it does tell us she is pretty close to her limit in diferent areas of combat and is not bound to get much stronger. Anyways, if you base your ranks purely on stats, your rank is pretty much meaningless lol given what stats actually represent.
"doesnt really tell us anything about how strong she actually is but it does tell us she is pretty close to her limit in diferent areas of combat and is not bound to get much stronger."
is a pure assumption, it is as likely to be true as false. If anything these stats are the best indications of the captains strength then anyone's pure hypothesis; as they are a direct publication by those affiliated with publishing bleach
I dont question the veracity of the stats, I am simply saying that the information the stats provide us is not actual strength but each individual shinigamis potential in that area. That said, for example if it says unohana has 100% in any given stat, it means she has reached her limit in that area. Given that it is HER limit, she could be 10000 stronger than anyone else with the same 100 or actually enormously weaker. If a character has 80% in a stat, it means that character is at 80% of his own limit. That has been discussed quite a bit around this forums, you can ask anyone and you'll get the same answers, unless I was seriously misslead by some posters around here lol.