Oh, and by the way...this:
Not necessary. Sometimes arguments get heated, and conversations get somewhat intense, but everyone here should be capable of controlling themselves. Find a way to disagree without the use of such juvenile, threatening language.Quote:
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Agree or disagree with other members, please don't insult each other. Further rude remarks will be treated accordingly.
And... wait a minute. You're more stupid than I originally thought! xD Switching hands is used to SURPRISE Stark? Go learn some martial art, aido, kendo, whatever, just learn how to properly use sword and maybe then you'll realize why he was switching hands.
Any proof, that he was SUPERIOR? He wasn't inferior, that's for sure.Quote:
You are just proving to me, how stupid you actually are... ;dQuote:
Still, I don't see his superiority. He cut his hat, but he didn't cut his face. Shunsui dodged, his hat didn't. xDQuote:
Color game wasn't very useful, but Stark died by playing it. xDQuote:
Calm down, kiddo. Using every means possible to win is Shunsui's personality.Quote:
Neither do I.Quote:
I'm an atheist. And trust me, I'd gladly meet you in person. I'll take my bokken with me and show you something cool!Quote:
About Ukitake, it's his ability. Shooting infinite Cero isn't hax? Shooting 1000 Ceros isn't hax?
Yup, that's what I call personality. You call it dirty, I call it tactics.Quote:
So far, you didn't do anything that would prove me wrong. >.<Quote:
Ok, ability is cheating. And you're an idiot. Makes perfect sense to me.Quote:
I don't care about your assumptions and "most likely". Fact is, Shunsui would be much stronger.Quote:
But the very ability is to pop out from nowhere, isn't it?Quote:
I'm to lazy to look it up. Where did he CUT SHUNSUI?Quote:
No, not really. It's just that you're an idiot, and only idiot would would respond what I wrote. I wanted you to write something else, what you did. The whole psychological shit above is baseless and stupid. Get some degree, before you write something like that to someone, who currently is studying psychology, ok?Quote:
Still, I call it tactics and personality. Shunsui thinks that honour is not revelant in a fight, that have to be won by any cost.Quote:
Reread manga, please. Pretty please?Quote:
You're seriously overrating them. Get close to Stark, so the wolves will injure Stark as well? Use Bankai, that'd make him a little bit stronger? Use Irooni...?Quote:
So you agree, that having a mask DOESN'T make you stronger than people without it, right?Quote:
You don't congratulate someone and use "sir", if you're superior to him.Quote:
Ever heard of senior-captain? Kyoraku refers to Unohana as senpai. They're both captains, but that doesn't matter. He made a comment, Shunsui responded how CAPTAIN should behave. He is a captain himself, but he considers himself someone who can teach other captains how to behave. Well, I call it "considering himself superior".Quote:
Also, those "freaking strong" Vaizards were given a good beating by Starkk later on.
Shinji is probably the only one that is even close to Kyouraku in terms of power through his abilities, and he is the unspoken leader of the Vaizards. The others possibly can't hope to be on par with him.
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And for the sake of the entire discussion, abide by the rules and discuss properly.
When you say something like "You're such an idiot, you're so stupid", it will only result in that post to be deleted, not win you a debate over the others.
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Says otherwise and so does this one from Ju-Ni:Quote:
Love was just complimenting him. Nothing about superior or anything. As previous captains they were just colleagues but now as a exile he could only refer to him respectfully according to age at best.
Well, that discussion seemed to have devolved rather quickly. So we agreed that Shunsui was superior to the Vaizards using simple deduction then. Great.
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Also Stark unleashed his full might (all the wolfs) after Lilinette gave him a good talk. Shunsui & Ukitake never even witness a fraction of Stark's might (& Stark himself told them he wouldn't fight them with seriousness regardless of what those two pull out).
Shinji is higher than Kyouraku & he has FAR greater realiable feats (& I'm not even getting to the mask because that just makes the other captain except for Aizen & Yamamoto noobs in comparation to them).
Sometimes one CANNOT help but call someone out on their flawed logic (& usually they facepalm, swear & etc).
Well, I do agree he start taking the fight more seriously as time passed, but you also look over the fact that he was also as carefree against the Vaizards, if not more.
The only possible way looks like comparing their fights to Aizen, but even that is a minor data, since both fights were rather short.
Shinji (without Mask & without bankai) was the only individual (except Yama) in a one on one fight to do damage against Aizen with his haxx shikai (A shikai that isn't exactly normal for someoen to excape). Shunsui however never displayed any realiable feats & any feats that compares to Shinji (or the other Vizards to be exact. The so called seniority of these captains is nothing more than fanbase hype because Ukitake or Shunsui hasn't displayed any realiable, noticable good feats that trumps even a captain like Byakuya).
I understand that. I myself will try to tone it down.
Shunsui has more reputation as a captain compared to everyone else. He is also close to old man Yama so him being a commander (whose job is to command) isn't because he is the strongest (Unohana is even more skilled yet she ain't no commander) but because of he can command (& he has the rep).
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Up to that point, Starkk wasn't keen on fighting, but he wasn't moody, either. He ambushed distracted Kyouraku, the Vaizard battle began and it was right at that moment that he lost his will completely, which gave the Vaizards the upper hand. Though, this was only temporary, since after the Lilynette interrupted with her preaching, he regained his motivation and defeated the Vaizards. Any wrong thing up to this point? Then, it's well known. Kyouraku comes out of shadows and strikes him with Kageoni.
I don't really see how this can suggest the Vaizards to be stronger. He never fought Kyouraku or Ukitake in such despair. Against those two, he was trying to survive. Against the Vaizards initially, he was willing to die.
The fanbase hype is created by the manga itself. Byakuya has showed his trump card, his Bankai numerous times. If we are to speak based on the feats, the Vaizards will fail to stand up to Byakuya, as well.
At the moment, we haven't seen a proper fight from Ukitake, and Unohana never fought. But during this final arc, we will probably get to see a Bankai from those three, most likely from Kyouraku and Ukitake. And the Vaizards, apart from Kensei, are yet to show a Bankai, as well. We will get to see if Kubo has left the skills of the seniors up in the air for nothing or if they will live up to the hype. I tend to think it will be the latter, since there is no other reason to keep a captain class character unused for such an extended period.
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Out of decision making? I don't think so. There are a bunch of captains with Kyouraku's deduction skills. He is a smart fighter, but he isn't a genius strategist, so, this shouldn't have raised his chances for being the next Captain-Commander.
Shunsui using his ability is not cheating. But lets put things into perspective shall we? Starrk shot Shunsui in the shoulder when he was distracted once. Shunsui returned the favor and stab him in the chest once. However, after Starrk shot him, Shunsui got a lot of time to relax and watch the Vaizards fight. When liza worked him up, he didn't immediately return the battle, instead he chose to let Rose and Love fight Starrk, and they involuntary became scapegoats for Shunsui and made Starrk release all of his wolves. When he stabbed Starrk, it was after he released all of his wolves against the vizards, and he didn't get time to relax and recover like shunsui, he immediately had to resume to battle.
Remember all of Starrk's fight were in the air, up until Starrk decide to finished Love and Rose did he land on the ground and cast a shadow. If it were a straight 1 on 1 battle, would Shunsui have a chance to step on Starrk shadows unoticed? And even if he does, Starrk can easily react against it it judging from his intelligence.
Is this fair or not? I don;t think it is. They both attack while the other was distracted, but one get a decent amount of time to relax, one didn't.
As I've said, there are hints that Vaizards are stronger than Uki and Shunsui. WW easily speed blitsz Uki but had a hard time with maksed Mashiro, who is only vice captain standard compared to Love, Rose, Kensei, and Shinji http://www.mangareader.net/94-7114-7...apter-364.html
Even without the mask, Love was able to overcome Starrk's ceros http://www.mangareader.net/94-31119-...apter-372.html, which shunsui had a hard time a against it.
And I would say that in this current arc, where Bankai is retricted, Vaizards are more valuable assets than the current captains. Although I don't know if SS has banned them from using their hollow powers.
Yeah, based on elimination, it is logical that Shunsui is the CC, even though he might not be the strongest (compared to Unohana & possibly vaizards) or the smartest (Mayuri).
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