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Yes the worse state of despair & if you were paying attention you will understand why instead of being foolisg about it. Ever since the Ulquirro battle, Ichigo has always been like that. Zangetsu made that especially very very clear http://www.mangastream.to/bleach-cha...23-page-5.html http://www.mangastream.to/bleach-cha...23-page-6.html It's not opinion, it's fact
Predictable & boring but factual nontheless. At any rate, it's irrelevant you brought it up.
http://www.mangastream.to/bleach-cha...6-page-11.html http://www.mangastream.to/bleach-cha...6-page-12.html http://www.mangastream.to/bleach-cha...6-page-13.html http://www.mangastream.to/bleach-cha...6-page-14.html Tousen would have killed Zaraki with a simple sword to his thoat but instead wanted to teach him fear but by the time he went for the kill, Zaraki already caught on to the trick http://www.mangastream.to/bleach-cha...7-page-12.html Zaraki avoided vital damage to the body at the last seconds http://www.mangastream.to/bleach-cha...7-page-14.html But his ultimate stratagy to defeat Tousen was to get brutally stabbed sice reflexes would work alone against a captain http://www.mangastream.to/bleach-cha...7-page-14.html http://www.mangastream.to/bleach-cha...7-page-16.html http://www.mangastream.to/bleach-cha...7-page-17.html http://www.mangastream.to/bleach-cha...7-page-19.html http://www.mangastream.to/bleach-cha...48-page-2.html
THAT WAS ZARAKI'S ONLY WAY TO WIN!!
Tousen could have instant kill Zaraki the moment he used bankai & that is a FACT!!
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Oh, I joked about Urahara part. Of course, he wouldn't let Urahara know of his intentions, either
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Aizen even trusted Tousen to the point he would risk getting cut in half.
Aizen never asked his subordinates to trust them, which is true to his character. He promised that he would use their power to take over the throne and change things. Tousen didn't like how things were so he followed Aizen who promised to change things. Tousen simply found an answer in Aizen's actions, which were in fact more just than most of what Shinigami did anyway.
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It suggests what I said, anyway. He didn't care about Tousen a bit. Tousen thought Aizen's perception was the right one, but Aizen didn't seem to value his opinion at all.
He was the weakest link because he had a grudge against Shinigami, and thought something was wrong with how things were going on. Weakest by SS perspective. Byakuya would never think about following Aizen and his rules, for instance. Tousen was a perfect fit in that sense.
Both Gin and Tousen were recruited because of this particular reason. One portrayed himself to be a cold-blooded killer and the other was trying to create his own path. The difference is Tousen thought Aizen could be a savior, while Gin had his own reasons.
But this is just one single side of the debate.
Let's pass. My main argument that started this was Tousen was strong, but for Aizen to recruit him as a subordinate, strength wasn't enough. I don't think we disagree that much about this.
Returning to the comparison now;
To be fair, if they were to get into a battle, I doubt either of those two could survive the other's Bankai. Without Hollowfication, there wasn't any indication of Tousen being extremely fast, so, I don't think he could dodge Gin's Bankai.
That said, if Tousen was to go Bankai first, for Gin to be countering it seems improbable, as well. Unless he spams his Bankai and somehow hits Tousen, of course. It's tough to call this one way or another for me.
Shuhei is at around Gin's age, but with less of an improving speed, so, I guess we can't, since he didn't develop his skills that far to be a comparison to his captain. But on an interesting note, his dislike for his Zanpakuto's ability makes me think he shared the same philosophy with Tousen more or less.
My point of view is that Aizen recruited Tousen not only because he is immune to KS. He must be a very valuable asset. If you guys recall the quarrel with Grimmjow, you'll see how Aizen clearly value Tousen more than the arrancar. Letting Tousen cut off Grimmjow's arm and got away it. Grimmjjow at that time was stronger than Ichigo (non vizard) and would have been a threat to any other captains. Yet Aizen still favors Tousen, it greatly indicates how much Aizen liked him.
Maybe its just that Tousen or his zanpaktou is somehow related to Aizen. They both deal with senses. One alter the senses, one strip the senses. They also have similar weakness, when a person get in contact with the blade, the ability is nullified (basically).
I don't know about Tousen Bankai, it the balloon thingy looks pretty fragile to me. What if someone like Kommaura released Myoo inside that balloon? will it get ripped apart easily? Or maybe it is reiatsu related, will a stronger reiatsu be able to suppress that ability, in which case what if Kenny released the eye patch inside it?
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Well, Hisagi doesn't seem to be around Gin's age. Hisagi should be considerably younger. Hisagi is just a bit older than the likes of Kira and Renji. While Gin seems to be at the same age as Byakuya.
And talking about Tousen... well, as just a Shinigami he seemed to me as one of the weakest ones. Maybe only Mayuri would be weaker than him.