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Alright Nagato lost 5 bodies before fighting Naruto, but 3 of those were against one of the most powerful shinobi in Naruto ever, Jiraiya, a fight he chose to only fight with 3 of his 6 Paths which made him lose the bodies. Come on that's not fair, he was owning Jiraiya even without Deva and two other Paths until a super powerful genjutsu hit him, even Jiraiya admits to that fact. Losing those 3 bodies doesn't downgrade anything as he had 3 others (1 of them easily more powerful than all the other 5 combined) as back up just waiting to jump in. He was playing it safe, that's strategy. The 4th body was lost against Kakashi, a highly praised genius of his own. Does this also downgrade Nagato? Really? The 5th was totally weird and a complete embarrassment, but the other 4 were lost against highly skilled shinobi. Had he lost no bodies at all against both Jiraiya and Kakashi I would have called bullshit, wouldn't you?
I already said that Neji is a genius, that's obvious. He's a genius of both growth/development and skill/skill usage. I was making a point that all of Neji's abilities have a direct relation to Byakugan just like all of Nagato's abilities are related to Rinnegan, however that means nothing as they can easily be geniuses despite that. Let's break it down. Hyuuga's fighting style = Gentle Fist taijutsu, which is directly dependant on the user possessing Byakugan. If they don't it's impossible to use the fighting style to begin with. Because the style centers around mastering the art of dealing precise blows, every Hyuuga who masters the style trains up exceptional chakra control. With other words Neji as a Hyuuga and possessor of Byakugan, while obviously being a genius (highly skilled in its usage), trained himself into a master of the Gentle Fist style, which in turn allows for easier usage of techniques such as Kaiten and Empty Palm, this because he has already achieved exceptional chakra control on top of being a genius in that department and already mastered the art of releasing precise and small amounts of chakra from his hands.Originally Posted by M3J
Every ninja basically learns to release chakra from his entire body. They learn to walk on water and also need to release chakra from their knees, elbows etc when they need to for example "climb up from water", even Naruto as a "new" genin could do this to some level. Neji simply took it to the next level, which should be "easy" once you are already highly skilled in the art of using the Gentle Fist style. Shortly said Kaiten is directly tied to his Byakugan and his mastery of the Gentle Fist style, as are all of his abilities, just like Nagato. However I don't take away from them because of that, they are both geniuses in their own ways.
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Sakura sits on the water so she's releasing chakra from her ass and legs but not doing much else. Anyway the point is that Neji is a genius so yes we agree. The point of my previous post in regards to Neji was to show how every technique he has builds on the usage of Byakugan.
As far as I'm concerned neji is a genius. He mastered jutsus that are only taught to the main branch. Not only that, but on his own. Idk what else he has to do to be considered one
And Sasuke didn't really die, he was able to survive although he ran away in the end. Never said getting beaten up in fights meant someone sucked, otherwise Naruto would have been horrible. He's gotten beaten up so many times before, but he's still a great ninja. What I'm saying is that Nagato lost at least one body in every fight we've seen him in.
He wasn't owning Jiraiya at all, as far as I saw it was a tie leaning towards Jiraiya as he managed to hit Animal Realm. Jiraiya (or Pa) said that they needed to retreat and think of a plan otherwise they'd lose, not that Jiraiya was being owned. The fact that Nagato was willing to sacrifice his bodies unnecessarily (not counting Jiraiya, and QUITE POSSIBLY Kakashi, as it was a good plan if it was intentional) was kinda stupid. My point isn't that Nagato lost bodies against skilled shinobi, but that he lost bodies, especially against a kid. He constantly got tricked by kage bunshin by different enemies.Quote:
Just so happens that Rin'negan made Nagato go all "meh" as all he needed to do was use Shinra Tensei or whatnot. If it was someone like Sasuke or Neji, they'd have had problems.
It's not entirely related to Byakugan. Kaiten is related to Byakugan, but it'd be meaningless if Neji wasn't able to control chakra from parts of his body well enough to repel attacks. It's just like how Sharingan would be useless in copying a move if the ninja didn't have the elemental affinity for it.Quote:
If Neji didn't practice good chakra control, then he wouldn't have been able to use Empty Palm or Kaiten well enough. the defense would have wavered. Even against Kidomaru Neji showed intelligence.
Regardless, Neji still had to learn how to release chakra from his whole body, something that jounins have difficulty doing. Byakugan is most likely the reason why Neji can use Kaiten, but it'd be for naught if his chakra control wasn't good.Quote:
I also feel Naruto is a genius. He is at best 16 years old and has become one of the most powerful shinobi on the planet. He was a drop out at the academy and then he learns the shadow clone jutsu in a few hours. That was self taught i believe and i don't think that is bad for a kid who was never good at anything before
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I think labeling a clan genius as a whole is a bit too much. Neji was a Hyuuga genius. It wasn't because he had Byakugan. Hinata also has it, but she's not a genius, because the speed she picks up the things is nowhere near Neji's. Same with Sasuke and Itachi. They were thought of as geniuses, since their natural development was well ahead of the expected schedule. Say, like Itachi becoming an ANBU captain at 13. Kakashi was a genius, because he graduated from the academy at 6 or 7, can't remember the exact age and became a jounin like when he was about 13. Uchiha who unlock the Sharingan aren't necessarily geniuses, since there are a lot of Uchiha who awaken the Sharingan, because it's a family's trademark genetic heritage passed down, thus, not necessarily the signal of genius.
Thus, I don't believe Obito was a genius. He was always a step behind Kakashi, like Jiraiya was a step behind Orochimaru. I can't go labeling everyone with some unique skill as a genius (since there are a lot of people with some natural and unique ability), but then again, it's just me.
Well, don't really matter if minato is part of a powerful clan or not. I'm just curious on his lineage because he was suppose to be the father of the main character nor i care if minato is just a regular person or not, but my point is, it's too early to say that. The story is all about the senju and uchiha. And we know that the uzumaki is a distant relative to the senju, but still, they're two different clans. So minato must be somehow part of the senju for naruto being the senju's descendant the same as sasuke for being the uchiha's descendant. If not, then what's the point of the uchiha and senju's rivalry, the will of fire to hatred, naruto to sasuke. That's just my opinion though.
After all, it doesn't matter if minato is just a regular person, he's still no doubt one of the strongest ninja.
I saw most of Neiji's fight and everything he did was Byakugan, and I can say there was no strategy. He got beaten the minute Naruto powered up. The only time Neiji used a strategy was inspired by Naruto. He even asked himself what Naruto would do if he were in his shoes.
Almost 95% of all Itachi's fight were Tsukyomi or another genjutsu. These are canon.
Therefore, I can tell you that they were geniuses first because they had eyes, and second because they inherited the eyes stronger than others. We saw also how Obito became boss the minute he get Sharingan and SEnju DNA after being useless for many years.
Finally, the least I can say is: How can I convince a fanboy with the obvious?
Note: I didn't consider Sasuke because he is all Sharingan.
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Neji showed he was a genius by figuring out the main house secret technique all on his own, without any help and mastered his clan's techniques despite being a branch member. Itachi's showed he was a genius by graduated from the academy in one year, before he had even awoke his Sharingan and going on to pass the Chuunin exam at ten and join Anbu the following year before becoming captain well before he awoke MS. And Sasuke was shown a genius by being number one in all his classes, and mastering techniques above his level.
Sasuke and Itachi were known to be geniuses before they even got their Sharingan. Sasuke topped in nearly all of his classes, adn Itachi graduated at age 7. These two are definitely geniuses. Minato and Kakashi are also known as geniuses, and we've seen all four prove why they're geniuses.
Naruto is not a genius, however. He's a hard worker. He works hard to master new powers, like rasengan, kage bunshin, and the likes. Minato or Sasuke could have figured out how Jiraiya made the balloon pop, but it took a cat playing with the balloon for Naruto to figure it out. Sasuke and Sakura figured out that they were supposed to cheat and not get caught, but Naruto NEVER figured that out. Those who say Naruto is a genius are deluding themselves, and I like Naruto, at least Part I Naruto.
I mean, Minato created rasengan from scratch. Naruto had Jiraiya to guide him. FRS doesn't prove anything, as Kakashi and Yamato still helped him develop it, or at least, fuuton: rasengan. I don't see how you can consider Naruto a genius. He will never be on Minato, Kakashi, Itachi, or Sasuke's level, ever. Though, he can still trick or outsmart them like he did Neji, another known genius.
So basically, we have two Uchiha who were known as genius before they gained Sharingan or used it, and one Hyuuga who was known as a genius at a young age and proved it by learning main branch's techniques wihtout being taught. Eyes don't make one a genius, genius makes one a genius.
About naruto... dude... all jiraya did was to tell him that there are 3steps...showed him rasengans look.... told him to pop up a ballon and ball...and that's it !!! where the hell was he guiding naruto ? he told only to work hard to pop it... took narutos cash and went for women.... naruto went to the rasengan on his own...and in his own unique way (clones). About FRS well Kakashi or Yamato had no Bloody idea (even minato) how to fuse a rasengan with nature element.... kakashi and yamato were there "ONLY" becouse they had to look after the 9tails going rampage and taking that under control.... if naruto had no such risk they wouldnt be needed there.... the akatsuki threat was a thing that made naruto to use such hardcore training method... so genrally lacing time in all training sesions...even in sage mode with "pain threat"
Dont put on sasuke an "genius" mark becouse he isnt... if he lost his sharingan for good he would lose almost all moves, wouldnt be able to predict enemys movment by looking at the chakra... Kakashi was guinding sasuke by a hand how to make chidori....later sasuke demanded learning from orochimaru... so he too was constantly beign guided..... later it was itachi who showed and made sasuke realize taht such move exist... and that is susano...
so sasuke is no genius... before he activated his sharingan he got defeated by rock lee with ease... later he just "copied" lees trained moves... its not learning from hard work but using a shortcut by just copying ;/, well naruto was never really smart in school...well becouse he had no parents to guide him or help him with his studies like sasuke had... Minato would mostly help him with it as he is the smart one ^^ but naruto had no such convinent life and had no parents so he had to do all on his own
but I can agree that itachi and minato were real genius people
The manga should be called "Genius" because that's a synonym for "Naruto."
He's so genius it's undeniable. He trained Konohomaru how to do the Rasengan. He trained such a young kid how to do such a high level move. He's not only the strongest and most creative (read "genius), but he's also a better teacher. How many people has he demonstrated and explained into turning from the "dark side?"
That's what we thought.