A study of the two faces of the unknown members of the Yonkou
Under his left eye, this emperor seems to have a " mouche " (french word meaning fly). Indeed, Oda has let a white little circle which means there is something special here.
A mouche is a false beauty spot which was above all used in the XVIIIth century and was the symbol of finery and was stuck on the face.
The mouche was used by the women ; so, the emperor - if it is as I think a mouche - must be a woman.
Another interesting thing is that the mouche was stuck on the face and some localizations have a special meaning about the personnality and the temperament of the person.
Here, the emperor have a mouche near the eye which means the emperor is a murderous person OR a passionate person.
This second possibility reminds me of Lola's temperament. Plus, Lola said that her mother was a famous pirate in NW. If this mouche really means the woman is a passionate person, it could really be Lola's mom because she should be passionate and she is obviously a woman.
If it means murderous person, it reminds me more of Kaidou (who killed Moria's nakamas) but it would mean Kaidou is a woman (Kaidou could also be Lola's mom and have the both temperaments) ...
edit : she appears in the movie Strong World and is still a Captain under Shiki.Originally Posted by Lord Rayleigh
Here, the emperor seems to have as pirate badge a moon. Can he be inspired of the pirate of Romance Dawn who had a " moon moustache " ? On the picture, it is possible to have a moustache under the nose because this emperor is a man and his face is dark under his nose and above his mouth. Plus, the emperor got a moon as pirate badge ... And in Romance Dawn, the " moon moustache " pirate said he will kill Luffy. I know this should have nothing to do with the story of the manga but it could be a way to introduce this yonkou as a sort of similar guy to this one who was supposed to fight again against Luffy and try to kill him (his boat was sunk by Luffy).
His moon symbol, on his hat, is obviously at his last quarter. Does someone know the mythological meaning, the beliefs etc ... of the last quarter of the moon ?
The moon can be linked to calendars (DF of time) and farming/growing (DF of nature/wood/plants).
Originally Posted by Lord Rayleigh
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There are no pictures.
The fatter Yonkou is drawn like a man, and that line on the left side of his nose could be a moustache. He looks like a french nobleman anyway.
And the thing on the other Yonkou's forehead looks like a skull. To me.
Yes, it is also possible that this is a man because some guys might have used mouche even it is was a woman finery. I have to agree that the hair of this emperor looks similar to the french wigs and I think he is inspired of a french pirate too. The emperor reminds me the French Pirate Lord in Pirates of the Carribean 3.
I don't think this is a skull : on the hat, you see two part, a white part and a dark one that is shadow. On the white part, you see a moon (at his last quarter) design. If you really look on the quality picture I have put, you can see, on the white part, a sort of thin moustache that remounts at his extremity ; and a sort of pinocchio nose that touches the beginning of the shadow part.
This moon at his last quarter seems to the face of a pirate in profile for me (so, you only see the right part of the moustache).
can't see your pics either , so there's not much basis for talking
But they have a great quality and you can see very well the form of the shadow etc ...
Use this link :
and then, you have to click on that to see their picture :
Troisième Empereur Inconnu (the mouche emperor)
Quatrième Empereur Inconnu (the moon emperor)
You'll see their two faces (sorry if it is a french website).
Last edited by Lord Rayleigh; February 26, 2009 at 08:11 AM.
I think we should not forget that Oda drew all shishibukai in the east blue saga but they don't not resemble the shishibukai we all know (except for Mihawk).
But still I could imagine that Lola's mom is a yonkou so she should be the fat one and really ugly xD
So, the Yonkou will respect the " shadows " (it's not shadows in reality) Oda drew.
Plus, don't you see Shanks and WB are really looking similar to their " shadows. So, the two last ones will not be exception.
Moreover, as the time he drew the Yonkous'shadow, Oda already knew globally how the manga will advance, what he didn't know at the beginning of the manga when he introduced the Shichis'shadows. Now, he know what he will do with the emperors in the manga (Don't we see the names of Yonkous appearing since a long time ?).
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Perhaps something I want to find out more than who Kaidou and the last Yonkou are, is what abilities they have. Maybe they have a insanely-powerful DF? Or immense haki power? A gigantic crew? etc.
Did Oda work on that Graccio family filler arc?
It was shown there that Puzzle's ship was attacked by a pretty huge ship which fired some flaming rocks at them. Looked like comets.
Anyway, I saw that pic on the french site and it could still be a skull. Even a skull turned upside down. We don't exactly know how much detail Oda wanted to put into it. It doesn't look much like a moon to me. But maybe it's not so important after all. Just a rubberband which he changes from time to time.
In any case, there's not much we can conclude from that sign. We can theorize about his possible flag but that's it. For all we know, maybe it isn't his flag at all.
I am curious as to why Oda has not even mentioned the name of the fourth Yonku yet.
The Yonku with the bigger smile could be a man or an ugly woman. If a woman it could be Lola's mother, does not mean it has to be. The Yonku at the bottom of the page is likely Kaidou, if not then the top is Kaidou and the bottom is definitely a man.
In the manga the character have boasted that Hancock is the most beautiful and strongest pirate, if she is then the fourth may not be a woman. I don't think Hancok is the strongest pirate, because there is a possibility that Lola's mother is a Yonku.
I definitely would like to have a woman as one of the Yonku.
Hmm... being a Yonko mean you have one of the most powerfull crew in the world, not necessary that you are all strong just by yourself...
I think the Yonkou can be assumed to be ridiculously strong.
Also, I thought that symbol was on the lower Yonkou's hat at first as well, but the anime shows it quite clearly on the upper guy's chin. Looking back at the manga it looks like that fits just as well.