As powerful as he is atm
Become as powerful as his batch mates except Naruto
Danzo and Oro like experimenting with their bodies
as powerful as kakashi
I always wonder if sasuke is a genius or his eyes make him a genius.
lets say he trained under kakashi and orochimaru too
but he has no sharingan.
Will he become what he is now? (The power level, not the mental state)
Without his sharingan, can he learn/master jutsus like
chidori and the likes
Last edited by elitefox; July 12, 2010 at 03:53 AM.
Well the power level certainly includes his latest MS techniques, so maybe in power level he would be inferior...but his chidori skills, his speed, his talent in developing ninjutsu is something that can be separated from Sharingan
Lets say he has the curse seal?
Will he be at least on the level of kakashi right now?
^^ Even without the curse seal he can be Kakashi's equal...
The CS definitely grants him more speed, more powerful techniques, wings, regeneration, so with CS Kakashi would be surpassed...
I don't think so...kakashi was super speed without sharingan and he couldn't control chidori....you need sharingan to do this properly. Sasuke would be nothing because he gain this speed with help of sharingan...without it he would must train like Lee and i don't see that would happened.
Why not...Sasuke was shown to have determination and guts as well...also the variations of chidori which he created, especially chidori nagashi and chidori spear are very handy and don't need sharingan
The chidori allows/forces the users to thrust at a speed that's too fast for the eye to see and react to enemy's counter. It's an incomplete jutsu that's exclusive to sharingan users only or those with abnormally high reaction speed (raikage). Without sharingan Naruto probably dead/disabled by Haku and he would not be where he is now. However, his kunai skill, raiton and katon would still be there. I would say an average jounin.
I don't think an average jounin would be enough...he was shown to be able to use techniques from 2 elements at a very young age, and his taijutsu ability is great...also there is his speed, and I'm not talking about the one gained by copying lee, but the speed gained from the training from Orochimaru...if we take away the sharingan, but count Orochimaru's training, then he would've been quite a highclass jounin, at a young age
Sasuke was filled by the thirst for revenge and was willing to do anything to attain the power to get it. He developed his sharingan powers in order to do this. If he didn't have a sharingan he would just have developed other powers. Look at the Kages and the Sennins, all massively powerfull without the sharingan. There's no reason Sasuke wouldn't be amongst them.
I second precisely what Tahl (and benelori) just said. Some people say that people like Sasuke and Neji wouldn't strong without their doujutsu while they were, at least for Sasuke (since Byakugan doesn't appear the same way), cosidered as being geniuses before displaying tehir Kekeki Genkai related abilities. Sasuke gratued from the Academy as number one, just like Neji, kakashi, oro other dudes that obviously became Jounin sooner than many so clearly Sasuke would have a quite good level by now even if he didn't awakened teh Sharingan.
They're geniuses because of what they're able to do way more with the same amount or less training than others, not just because they have special abilities. Sasuke's proficiency with martial arts has been portrayed as being superior teh other of his generation before using teh Sharingan, and him being able, as some thers stated already, to use 2 element at 12 years, learning Chidori (A-class raiton)in less than a month (since his training with Kakashi had also a lot of taijutsu and speed increase) when it normally takes 6 months to years to efficiently use nature manipulation was more than just gifted by the Sharingan, he is quite talented.
Last edited by GyoMasta; July 12, 2010 at 01:02 PM.
Could he learn those various techniques and chakra manipulations without the sharingan?
Kakashi as far as I remember, said that it is because of the sharingan to be able to see and copy chidori that made it faster than a regular training. At that moment, kakashi said that he is about 75% or lower of copying skill then sheer determination to fill up the missing gap.
Sasuke is talented, no one will disagree without that. but will he be as powerful 3 years later or at least a high percentage of his power i.e. 80-90% of his power without the doujutsus?
If u look at the times sasuke was saved by his sharingan, then the answer is simple w out his sharingan sasuke would be dead!!! lol... no but seriouslly w out his sharinan he would have no curse seal because oro would have NO INTEREST in him! He would'nt be as fast as he is, and he would'nt learn new jutsu as fast.... I still think he would be very talented, but without that hatred feeding his sharingans power sasuke would be a jonin. A very smart jonin with leadership abilities... But no where at kakashi's lvl! pfft
Had Sasuke not had the Sharingan, he would have relied on any other method to increase his power as quickly as possible. From forbidden jutsu, to high rank weaponry. Whatever it took. He'd have higher rank Katon and Raiton, probably more lethal summons (I'm thinking cats, as they were on good terms with the Uchiha clan).
He may not progress as fast, but it'd be downright sour grapes to say that his only redeeming quality is his Sharingan. He was a genius without it (highest scores in class since Shikamaru never took classes seriously), mastering Goukakkyu at a young age, and all that jazz.
Ninjabot is right. We have seen what other genius's without Kekkai genkai can do. Kabuto, Oro, The 3rd, and Minato were all strong without kekkai genkai. Kabuto specializes in medical ninjutsu, Oro focused on body modifications, and kinjutsu, Minato focused on S/T ninjutsu, fuuinjutsu, and extreme speed and the 3rd was a jack of all of trades, who learned how to counter all the jutsu in Konoha.
Sasuke seems to be the same type as Oro and Sarutobi, he may not grow as fast as he would if he had the sharingan, but he should still be able to reach a very high level. Too me, how strong Sasuke becomes depends on what skills he develops and what jutsu he learns. I think Sasuke would probably go the same route Oro did and learn kinjutsu when he becomes frustrated with his progess.
Last edited by En Yang Ji; July 13, 2010 at 06:06 PM.
The main factor for Sasuke's strength is revenge and a commitment to become strong to fulfill his role as an avenger.
The Sharingan was a shortcut for that purpose. It's safe to say that without the Sharingan, Orochimaru would not have pursued Sasuke like he did. He probably would not have given Sasuke the Cursed Seal, and as a result, Sasuke wouldn't have as many opportunities to becoming stronger as he did. Sasuke may have defected from the village, and at some point, might have crossed paths with Orochimaru who gave him the opportunity for strength.
Sasuke is a genius, even without the Sharingan. Prior to "awakening" his Sharingan, Sasuke was the top ranked student at the Ninja Academy. He was extremely proficient with weapons (i.e. Fuma Shuriken).
If Sasuke didn't have the Sharingan, well, let's just say that things would have not ended good for him.
Last edited by DARK; July 14, 2010 at 11:03 AM.