There is realy no diference, both of them can get the same results.
Again bankai or Kido no diference.
Oh or where you talking about pure strength of the swords ? Well gues what not all of them got a "walking sword" but they can replicate the feat by other means.
What i am traying to say is Kama is not using strength he is using his BANKAI/sword.
Also is probably better to go with pure brute power then strength.
shinji used mask n speed blitz aizen like he did to grimmjow while using sakanade Aizen be beat (well most characters in bleach verse would not handle that) so aizen must have used ks before which must show he was unsure and not that conifdent he could beat shinji without it.
plus shinji has bankai ..shinji is top tier easily.
people hate coz they see the word vizard
Does anybody else believe that a captain at Shunsui's level can take on 2 captains of the same the level if those two were only using shikai and the opponent was using bankai?
Starrk showed he was capable of taking of two captains at that level and have the advantage. Also after seeing Tousen's, Gin's bankai and a little of Kensei's I think they would be capable of it as well. IMO captains of Shunsui's level have bankai's stronger than Yama's shikai. I doubt their weaker than Starrk at least.
i dont think shunsui could take on 2 captain levels oppentants he was barely keeping up with starrk no matter how much people spin that fight Starrk was all over shunsui at the start. shunsui was bout get hit when ukitake jumped in and stopped him using bankai.
and i dont think there is many captains who could handle 2 captains..apart from kenpachi who all ready has.
I agree that it would be very difficult for any captain to defeat another captain's bankai with their shikai. The only time I could see that possible is if they had a hollow mask to add the the strength of their shikai.
For example, I could see Love taking out Byakuya with his shikai and hollow mask. An attack like Hifuki no kozuchi would easily blow away all those petals and leave Byakuya standing there defenseless. And no, I don't think Byakuya's too fast for Love to catch, especially if he's hollowfied.
Heres an interesting unofficial battle chart for the main characters made on another forum.
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For one Ulquiorra showed be nr.1 in the expada .. or are they/him forgeting that not even Aizen had any idea about his nr.2 release ?
Then they put komamura ahead of Kenpachi ??? WTF Ken was able to take 2 on 1 and beat one of the Captains and the other was left unfinished ... Ken would rip him in half.
Then byakuya so up from Ichi ? Sry but are they reading the damn manga ? This is ridiculous ... If bankai Ichi was able to defeat him, yes DEFEAT him because he destroyed his sword then Ichi with the mask on is going to beat him badly ... He is never even going to land a hit on him.
If Ichigo was able to cut all those tiny blades just with bankai imagine what he can do with that mask on. Heh just think how that primitive version of hollow Ichi was able to demolish him in that fight ... Luky for him that Ichi pulled the mask off. So what that Ichi can't use any kido or whatever when he compansate so much with is other abilities ...
I am not even going into the posibility that Ichi could go into FULL hollow mode and destroy even the commander (yes its a MAD or whatever Ichi but its his power).
There are lots of other things that i don't agree there but i am not going to get into it.
Finaly i presume that its a old thing or are we using human Ichi ? If not then he showed be NR.1 because before he lost his powers he could take on all of SS and win (he does not even need FGT just his powers before he used FGT).
Oh and before you say: This is a general power gauge and the fact that Ichi can't do any Kido drags him down or whatever he should be compensating with his speed and raw power about 300% of that of a normal captain ... This showed be enough to compansate with his lack of kido. Ichi showed be at least on the same level as byakuya and defenetly ahead of that "dog face".
Them moment Byakuya used an extra sword to trap Ichigo, and ONE Kido spell, he defeated Ichigo.
That battle was basically bankai vs bankai, since they were going on how they will crush each others bankai. Drop in some Cicada techniques, light rod prison kido, spammable white lightning kido, and a little knowledge beforehand that Ichigos bankai is hyper-speed combat - Byakuya would have outclassed Ichigo, similalry to Kenpachi having the ability to outclass Shikai ichigo in power (kendo) but decided to fight Ichigo on his own terms.
As for Kenpachi is the same thing with caracter morals that apply in any fight. Superman for example could win diferent fights but he holds back because he does not whant to hurt people and sometimes this makes him lose a fight.
Now Ichi going all out with Bankai would beat Ken and Bya in the first second (as he could do it to Byakuya). Anything that comes after this are caracter morals/caracteristics.
Also i whant to add that Ichigo with bankai on could probably dodge all the Kido that Byakuya would trow at him. Byakuya was barely able to hold him at a distance with bankai.
Keep in mind that Ichi with the mask on (hollow) would have rippet him in half and this is his power to so its valid.
Now 1 thing is for sure. There is no way Ichigo would be that much lower then Byakuya. Now hollow Ichi (with the mask on but control over it) is defenetly above him. Byakuya was completly useless vs Hollow Ichi in that fight.
Full Hollow Ichigo is above even the commander. i realy don't understant why people ignore that version of Ichigo, he was awsome and owned Ulquiorra.
Pefect hollow was not above yamma level..he trashed ulq who is nowhere near yamma level..not good guide to stregth
that chart is funny..
love looks weak when he aint
ulquiorra is just fanboy marks
also i like urahara but wtf they put his stats same as Aizen
fanboy bias not good idea when trying make a good chart
IMO Urahara's stats are pretty much accurate. Everything but reiastu. I agree with it because Urahara probably is a master in all forms of shinigami combat, just like Aizen.
as mashiro has shown good hakudo but that chart shown see not good at it.
i know it fan made but some tweaks should be needed. the vizards been nerfed coz they vizards which bit shame
Damn those charts are making it seem like the espada are stronger then what they were.