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lol. Everyone is clowning Hiruzen, but Hiruzen had already long begun his downslide the first time we saw him. Everything we've seen of Hashirama was in his prime. We haven't seen Hiruzen in his prime. Even at his old age, he was said to be the strongest current kage of the 5 nations. Also, being one of the three people called 'God of Shinboi', he had to have been ridiculous for his generation at the very least. That includes some of the past kages from other villages (2nd, 3rd, 4th). i think people will be very surprised when we finally get to see his ful capabilities. Not sure how Kishi will depict him with respet to Hashirama, but I'm sure everyone wil cease with the jokes. Especially considering we never saw anything that great from him or any hokage early in manga.
EDIT: Also, I wouldn't be surprised if Hiruzen was hokage when some of the other villages had their first hokage.
Last edited by toussaintac; February 20, 2013 at 10:54 AM.
I have to say - this Twitter/FB news thing has ruined mangahelpers for me. It's a giant box that glides right down the middle of the thread so I can barely read what people have to say.
But what a great chapter. THIS is what I've been waiting a few years for. What happened at the VoTE. Been saying it forever, but everything about that fight had huge ramifications. Why did the fight evne happen? I never fully bought Tobi's lame explanation. Now, I think it's becoming clearer than ever. Wait for it... wait for it...
It was one thing to lose the clan's backing, another thing to not be chosen leader vs. your greatest rival. But when Izuna died, that caused Madara to attack. And Madara probably blamed Hashirama. It's similar, yet not similar, to Obito attacking Minato. I think Obit oblamed Minato more than anyone for what happened to Rin. A difference though is that FINALLY, it's been somewhat confirmed that they actually were friends. Whether or not it's the same BS kind of thing like Naruto and Sasuke had is another story. But it was great seeing them as little kids. The cycle just continued in it's purest form to Naruto and Sasuke. Even Hiruzen and Danzou in some ways.
Once again... Mangastream takes creative liberties with language. Though some parts are better than the regular translation.
Still not completely writing off that Mito may not have played a part at some point. But Hashirama and Madara... it's cool to finally get confirmation that they weren't just out and out adversaries at every single turn of their life. The next chapter I'm looking forward to even more than the last. AND... how badass was Hashirama's sage mode jutsu? Final Susano'O was one thing, but that beast he came up with mixed with Mokuton... it seems like the very essence of 'life energy'.
I thought the flashback when they were young came at the wrong time..I was quite eager to see the outcome of that clash..I think that madara will be ko-ed after that clash and lose the battle and so I guess the outcome would show madara on the ground unconcious and hashirama standing as the victor and that scene will come after the end of the flashback...but I thought something interesting was the throwing stone part..I feel that kishi is trying to show us that hashirama is always one step ahead of madara..like in this case he threw the stone to the other side first..so I can roughly predict that throughout their growing years no matter how hard madara trains, hashirama is still be better than him...until the point where madara couldn't take it anymore he challenge hashirama to the final fight to death..
I hope Oro doesn't become fodder this time and/or does a stupid move to try to take over Sas' body again.
One can see that Madara used 2 levels of Susano'o so far in the fight against Hashirama and those are the two alst he used against the Gokage, including perfect Susano'o which he warped around Kyuubi's body for both physical protection and defense against Hashirama'a Mokuton-based bijuu-control powers.
Giant fish-like Susano'o past and prensent:
Yamabushi-faced Sausano'o with fancy arm-wings and shoulder armor:
We can see that Madara used the fish-like complete Susano'o for front defense against Hashirama's bijuudama counter-attack an then he warped Kyuubi with the perfect Yamabushi-type Susano'o to protect Kyuubi from Hashirama's mokuton and increase the firepower. We can see the arm-wings covering the whole body of Kurama the conventional armwings are also there with the shoulder armor/plate, and we can also see the 2 tachi or katanas and the second type of tengu yamabushi mask both only appearing with the full perfect Susano'o . Madara just warped the shape so that the bijuu's body could be fully covered with the protective wings.
And then what Madara said confirms that he could use that shape/level of Susano'o before. So he doesn't need Hashirama's flesh for it, the cells just made him stronger, able to use Mokuton and activated Rinnegan.
For the 3rd part of your post: just to make sure I'm not misunderstanding you: are implying that Hashirama's signature could be one of those on the Toad Kuchiyose Scrool? Or are you just making a parallel between Hashirama and what Naruto could achieve?
maybe it originally belonged to the sage, and if its size is any indication, it may have been constructed or invoked to combat something considerably larger than the fox, say, the ten tails.
The entire hype about him being the strongest kage is undercut by other statements like the one Itachi made regarding him and Kisame fighting Jiraiya. even still, it's literally just hype.
Just read the chapter. Not even remotely interested in some childhood flashbacks for Hashirama and Madara. Is it even remotely necessary? As for the fight, absolutely ridiculous. Shinsuusenju, f*** me.
The mangastream translation has a footnote that makes it clear the sen in senpou is the same as for sage mode.
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At last we get to see the battle of the legendary ninja gods in battroid mode. Although, I can't help but think this clash is better suited to take place on Mount Olympus or maybe outer space.