And where did I say one cannot copy a jutsu with Sharingan? I'm talking about seals, which seem to be different from jutsu. The seals we've seen so far, whether Danzou's, Hirashin, or Kakashi's, require something special that Sharingan can't seem to copy.
To elaborate, sealing jutsu seems to be different from ninjutsu and taijutsu that makes it seem like Sharingan can't replicate it, unless sealing jutsu just needs hand seals. If you want to deny that or counter it, then be my guest, as long as you have manga facts and not your opinions.
Okay. Does not prove me wrong in any way.Quote:
And no, they don't mistakenly think that the Uchiha are smart. They're correct in thinking the Uchiha who can understand and copy the jutsu are smart, because it requires them to understand the jutsu in the first place. Basically, anyone with Sharingan who can understand how a jutsu works and can even use it is quite smart. Now, if you want to deny that, go ahead, it's just an opinion with no merit anyway.
That page does not in any way prove your opinion about Sharingan users' intelligence correct, at all. Rather, it only confirms what we know - that Sharingan can copy ninjutsu and taijutsu.Quote:
So Sasuke learned the fireball jutsu because he had Sharingan, BEFORE he unlocked Sharingan? So Obito could use fireball jutsu because he had Sharingan, BEFORE he unlocked Sharingan? Sasuke added variants to chidori because he saw someone else do it with his Sharingan?Quote:
Your point here makes no sense because most of what Sasuke knew and could analyze came way before he had or used Sharingan. Sasuke is smart of his own accord, not because of Sharingan.
Ironically, we haven't seen Kakashi use even 10-20% of the jutsu that he's been claimed to know.
So the constant references to his eyes meant nothing during the ritual. And how was it established that he could've ended the battle sooner. How would he have avoided the mines if he was unable to see them, or test his theory about the importance of his lightning nature, or avoid C4, or Deidara's suicide attempt. Sasuke's lightning-nature was essential to his win, but so was his Sharingan. And just because some of the benefits and techniques of the Sharingan can be circumvented doesn't change the fact that the Sharingan has been Sasuke's saving grace over and over again.Quote:
You cannot possibly be buying your own argument. Naruto without Kurama wouldn't stand a chance against Naruto with Kurama. Extra childhood training wouldn't make up for the massive chakra, and host of abilities, that come with Kurama. And Naruto would continue to be impressive without Kurama, he has shown more than enough to be considered among the best with his SM. But he wouldn't even be close to the same level he is at now. As for Kakashi, his reputation is as the copy ninja. He doesn't need the Sharingan for great reflexes, but predictive abilities improve your abilities. That's just obvious. Minato told the young Kakashi never to use that jutsu again because he would be unable to see an opponent's counter and as such it was an incomplete jutsu. So yep, he needs his Sharingan for his signature tech. And obviously Kamui is a big deal. Seriously, you have to know that the loss of these abilities or sources of power would greatly weaken characters.Quote:
When a sample of people with the same feature have the same behavior, you don't attribute this behavior to their individual differences. This is a basic rule in statistics and study of species. In this case, all the people who have sharingan have same analytic performance whether Uchiha or not. Thus it is clear that the cause of this skill is not their brain. Rather it is the common feature - the sharingan.
Concerning a seal, it is a Ninjutsu. Thus the page I gave still works. Sharingan can understand Ninjutsu, Taijutsu, and Genjutsu. Here in understanding, you should see can zoom and give a step by step method for reproducing. I am pretty sure you know the word WIZARD in computer software. Anyone with basic knowlegde of a particular subject can use a given wizard on this subject to install or create something. Here, you can see Sharingan as a Jutsu wizard for every Jutsu he can study. Here is a pratical example:
1. When Sasuke wanted to use Lee's gate, he locked his sharingan on the movement and copied it. We never saw him training but he was able to use. This happen because his sharingan could give him complete recipe on the movement. As long as his body can handle, he can do it.
2. While Naruto had to think to find out what Jiraya was doing with the water balloon during Rasengan training, Sasuke could easily have found out by activating the sharingan and visualizing the microscopic movement of the chakra. After that, he could have produce a Rasengan just like Kakashi can do. The only problem would be the power of that Sharingan.
^ We clearly saw Sasuke training in the chapter that involved a flashback with Gaara. You missed a few chapters then.
But if you still don't understand the process, then what? No matter how concise and detailed the process is explained, if you don't have the intelligence then you won't understand it. Naruto did not understand the process of rasengan or wind nature, he had to be explained. Even then, he had some difficulty and had started training rather than have things explained. Naruto did not even know why the third stage was necessary until Jiraiya showed it to him. Someone smart like Sasuke or Orochimaru would have understood the importance of third stage without asking.
Incorrect, the ones who do have Sharingan are usually the ones who are intelligent or smart and able to analyze stuff. Sharingan would not help them analyze well if they were not smart.Quote:
You can attribute the behavior to their individual differences. Depends on what behavior it is.
I am not talking about hand seals, I am talking about fuunjutsu, which may not require handseals at all. One with Sharingan can copy Minato's Death God seal because it requires hand seals. However, he may not be able to replicate Minato's hakke fuuin because it probably does not require hand seals.Quote:
Thus, your page does not work, nor do you prove me incorrect. Both Jiraiya and Kakashi wrote characters when they were sealing. Sharingan cannot copy characters, it's up to the users to memorize it.
We saw him training to master Lee's movements. I have no idea whether you skipped this part of the manga, selectively ignored it, or forgot it but we saw him train.Quote:
And his body couldn't handle it long-term like Lee's body could.
And he couldn't figure it out until he saw the kitty. Once again, if it was someone smart like Itachi or Minato, they'd immediately know what Jiraiya was doing. Sharingan would not have been required, intelligence would be enough.Quote:
Yet so far, Sasuke has used neither rasengan nor kage bunshin.
Do you realise how ridiculous this argument is? Kirin? The attack that takes ages to setup. How exactly was Sasuke going to stay alive without his Sharingan for long enough to focus on setting up Kirin? The Sharingan was essential for avoiding the mines, for avoiding the C4, and for the realisation that he would require lightning-based attacks. Facts. Not some fantasy that Sasuke would've survived Deidara's attacks and countered using some yet unknown method. And how exactly has the Sharingan been the opposite of a saving grace. Do you understand the meaning of the term? What you're suggesting is the Sharingan has not only been useless, it has been a negative for his battles. How about we go through this? Haku; Sharingan popped up to keep him alive that much longer. Yoroi; uses a combo copied using his Sharingan from Lee. Chidori; incomplete without Sharingan. Naruto; Sharingan evolves to raise his level and allow him to compete against Naruto before the eventual release of his CS2. Deidara; ability to see attacks and manipulate Manda into saving his life. Itachi; would never have even escaped the initial genjutsu without Sharingan. B; Amaterasu required after getting his ass handed to him. A; spams Amaterasu, Susanoo necessary to stay alive. Danzo, MS to the rescue. Kabuto; Enton, Susanoo and dear brother necessary. And question, who among these had the ability to negate the complete range of abilities of the Sharingan?Quote:
How would SM Naruto have fared during the war? He'd probably be dead. He probably wouldn't even have gotten A's approval to go ahead. SM is powerful, but it doesn't have the raw power of his cloaked forms.Quote:
What is this about reflexes? Good reflexes, awesome. Good reflexes and the ability to predict an opponent's movements, a whole lot better. As for Chidori, Minato's comment wasn't to never use the attack straight-on, it was to never use the jutsu again, period. It would be reckless, and leave the user open to counters that they'd be unable to see. That's just the way it is. It would be exceedingly dangerous to utilise the technique. And seriously, Kamui isn't a big deal? Taking out Deidara's arm, saving the group from Deidara's explosion, saving himself and Chouji from Deva, against Sasuke, and obviously super big deal against Obito. Kakashi doesn't spam the technique as Obito does because he lacks the ability to do so. Even so, it has been an important component of his repertoire, and is one of the reasons he has been able to compete, and survive, against top tier opponents.
And it's the opposite because as said, Sasuke's major opponents have all had counters to it's abilities, so the advantages were canceled. As for your examples... The Sharingan didn't keep him alive longer against Haku because Haku wasn't seriously attempting to kill him, combo would have been learnable even without the Sharingan as proven by Naruto, Chidori is only incomplete while running in a straight line over a distances which isn't the only way to use it, Sasuke was already capable of handling Naruto san Sharingan and his CS was actually what turnt the tide, already pointed out the Deidara issue, considering Itachi's entire fight was staged that makes no sense that he wouldn't have won, and Amaterasu wasn't the only answer to the Hachibi. He didn't spam Amaterasu against Ee for the record, and I've already acknowledged several times that Susanoo was indeed necessary and thus an exception to my claim. But as been established, he wouldn't need to always win against everyone to be considered top tier. Are you serious? Haku (speed), Naruto (speed, cloak), Deidara (eye trick), Itachi (speed, Sharingan), Kirabi (speed, cloak, partner), Ee (speed), Danzo (Sharingan, Izanagi), and Kabuto (speed, eye trick, sage senses) all displayed counters.
And good reflexes are plenty for the likes of Ee and Minato, so that's minor. Minato's explanation was entirely about him moving too fast in a straight line as not to see a counter-attack. That's not an issue if it's simply used as a knife or the various other forms displayed by Sasuke. No, Kamui's not that big of a deal. There were other options to deal with everything and save him from but Sasuke's arrows and Obito. Not sure how you can claim it was an important component to his repertoire when he has barely used it before the situation with Obito.
This argument is beginning to drag on me. Sharingan offers advantages, and some individuals have counters to some of its abilities. But to date, zero combatants have countered the entirety of the Sharingan's abilities. Your list is just meaningless. You've attempted to show one or two abilities that each of Sasuke's opponents have overcome, but blatantly ignore the obvious fact that the Sharingan is multi-faceted. If someone has a counter to a single ability, it doesn't negate the advantages of the many other. Your references to speed are meaningless. Speed isn't a counter to the Sharingan, the predictive ability continues. It was Sasuke's Sharingan that allowed him to survive against A, despite his speed. Deidara was able to handle the genjutsu of the Sharingan, but he wasn't able to stop Sasuke from seeing his bombs. Sasuke would've been unable to break free of Itachi's genjutsu if it weren't for his Sharingan, it wasn't the other way around. B's movements were too much for the Sharingan, and he was able to overcome its genjutsu, but Sasuke survived because of Amaterasu. A's speed prevented use of two MS abilities, but wasn't useful against Susanoo. Danzo was unable to see through Sasuke's genjutsu. Kabuto was probably the only person that showed counters to each of Sasuke's Sharingan abilities, with the exception of Amaterasu, but it was Itachi's Sharingan ability that ended the battle. He required the Sharingan to survive each of those battles.Quote:
If you honestly believe that Naruto would've been able to accomplish what he has since the inception of the war utilising SM, so be it. If you believe he would be able to accomplish the same feats, so be it. I completely disagree.Quote:
Your comments on reflexes just fail to make any sense. If someone has good reflexes and fights against another combatant having the same reflexes, but also an eye capable of predicting movements, how is the battle going to turn out? As I said, good reflexes are great, good reflexes and the ability to predict movements are better. Why is it necessary to argue over the utterly obvious? As for Chidori, seriously. How was Kakashi going to survive against Deva, or save Chouji, without Kamui? Deidara's explosion? And once again, if you honestly believs Kakashi would be equal to what he is with his Sharingan without his Sharingan, keep on. I, however, disagre.
about something i read earlier i was talking about all supernatural birth gifts in general
and imo on what you say
kakashi, sharigan or not, he would be a very refinded ninjutsu taijutsu user and he would be strong like, let says gai (not physically, but overally)
cant say same for sasuke
after he got MS he abuses it to no end
only thing that you see is amaterasu and susano, hardly anything more like raiton or little taijutsu
about the "you need intelligence to use sharingan"
well, in my opinion intelligence is having a clear judgement in a short ammount of time
...so if the sharingan makes everything slow motion for you whats the point?