Interesting thought. I don't see that happening though. Harashima has always been a straight shooter. We've seen no propensity in him for that level of skullduggery so far. If Harashima makes the promise, then he means it - and if it gets reneged then it would have been because the village itself rejected Madara and didn't want him as Hokage.Quote:
Anyway - we know what happens. Konoha has not been founded yet in this flashback/flashback. We know Tobirama survives. We know Harashima survives. We know Madara survives. We know that eventually Madara agrees to a truce and forms the village with Harashima. Whatever this screwy "Kill yourself or your brother" twist is, it has no bearing on what ultimately happens.
Uchihas said no more war, Madara had no other choice than agree and creat a village, then as we could see he wanted rock village to listen to him not Hashirama, there couldnt be 2 hokages they had to fight for the tittle
It is interesting that this thread has more comments in two days than the last chapter had in two weeks despite the fact that it is by most accounts a pretty lousy chapter. Curious.
how is it possible to die from a sword wound in this manga? We've seen people get crushed by mountains, get burned, electrocuted, drilled full of holes and not die.
But somehow the supremely powerful leader of the uchida couldn't save his brother (who we assume is on hokage level) from a slash wound?
Tobi has no reason to make up half the stuff you attribute to him. It should be obvious that Kishi gets turned around and loses his way all the time in the plot, he's made too many mistakes.
So when Tobi says Izuna died in battle after giving away his eyes and then we don't see that play out, it's because Kishi messed up, not because Tobi was lying.
This chapter make it look like hashirama have a little crush on madara or something, I can seriously see him sparing madara life at VOTE, like he didn't even bother to check whether the guy is alive or not. Man so everything that happen in the stroy so far is due to hashirama sparing madara's life, what a bad leader, hashirama is the cause of everything, it's basically like allowing hitler to live.
Others have said this and I will chime in as well.
Madara's status in my eyes has decreased. Up until this flashback began, he was this legendary figure with powers only matched by Hirashima. He was also very brutal, unforgiving (still is you could say),genius, etc. You get the picture; he was a total badass. Now he turns out to be this guy(much like naruto was to Sasuke) who was always second best, even with his eye technique. From this flashback, Madara has come across as desperate, and quite frankly, not good enough. Hirashama, on the other hand, was already legendary as well (like Madara before the blashback). HOWEVER, his status has increased EVEN more beyond legendary, mythical (if you will).
Crazy stuff, huh?
Last edited by The Maestro; March 20, 2013 at 05:53 PM.
Hashirama made an impossible promise to Madara, the same way Naruto made an impossible promise to Sasuke.
In the end Hashirama was forced to decide betweem keeping his promise at the expense of the village or going through with it and let Madara remain his friend.
In the end, Hashirama capitulated under the pressure of Konoha not accepting Madara and that resulted in the ultimate showdown between the two.
This is a nice parallel to Naruto because he is facing a similar situation, the village wants Sasuke dead whereas Naruto wants him back and happy.
If Naruto can't keep his promise of bringing Sasuke back and, most importantly, of making the village accept him back, then Sasuke will become the new Madara. They will fight a decisive fight in the Valley of the End which would result with Sasuke surviving to sow chaos in the future.
Essentially, Hashirama succeeded in everything Naruto struggled to accomplish through his life but failed on keping his promise to his friend.
Even if Naruto ends all conflicts and unite all villages, it will all break asunder because Sasuke will pull another Moon Eye plan 50 years in the future and the world goes boom.
Why would Madara ever think he'd be a hokage though? Especially when he himself thought not a lot of Uchiha agreed with his stance anymore?
If there is a tie in Janken, then the participants often say Aiko Desho (あいこでしょ) - or "it is a tie".
Therefore I believe that the Aiko is related to the Tie between Uchiha and Senju. Also, as Janken is a game children often play, it relates to Hashirama and Madara's 'childish ideals' for peace.
Although the chapter flat out stated that the Uchiha and Senju were no longer equals, in the end at least, this is the best explanation that I can think of for the chapter title.
Also, having a quick read of your wiki article the chapter could relate to Hashirama's 'love' for others.
Perhaps the chapter title is a combination of the above? I have not read the raw, but if it is written in Hiragana, rather than Kanji, then I would be more inclined to believe my theory of Janken than of 愛子.Originally Posted by wikipedia
Anyone have a raw?
Seems it is written as 相子, not 愛子. I'd go with something along the lines of 'Tie' or 'Draw' as the translation for Aiko in this situation.
Last edited by zimbardo; March 21, 2013 at 06:02 AM.
On a serious node, I dont think Hashirama to be THAT rude, even though he fought his friend (or bff may be ) for the sake of village and in his opinion killed him, but he cant leave his body behind after getting the victory, thats totally unlike him.