Who knows, Sasuke may yet unlock a new ability, but I'm doubting it as it seems like you need a unique dire circumstance to find it, Shisui's originated from his unique sharingan feature, Obito's originated from his "Death" or atleast that was the impression I got, it COULD be he had it all along but since his eyes are apparently linked in strange ways, I'm not entirely sure.
Madara is still an unknown as I'm sure he didnt just sit by a tree for 80 years. Itachi probably never had the opportunity to discover any unique powers as he only ever used Tsukiyomi and his geared up Susano'o, much like how Sasuke only really uses Lightning, Amaterasu and Susano'o, but so far he's the best bet we have in learning exactly how the Jutsu system for MS/EMS works.
How do you know that ? All that happened was :Quote:
Danzo : Uhg Itachi *Get's Amaterasued*
And it's over! You're saying that this took more than 10 seconds ( 10 being generous. By Ninja standards, this should end in 3 seconds) ?
I know that Sasuke is fast. It was my fault for not making myself clear.Quote:
What I meant is, We don't know how long Danzo lasted in that Genjutsu. And we can't assume that he controlled time just because he's normally fast. This can be just for plot sake. Just like how Itachi can keep out with a Naruto that out paced Ee and crushed Kisame with a simple punch. And regardless of how long he did, or how fast is Sasuke. What Danzo said, confirmed that Sasuke can't (or didn't) control time.
You can say that there are two ways of interpreting this. But that wouldn't matter. If we go by the first way you mentioned (which is very unlikely way to interpret it) and say that he used a different Genjutsu that can't control time. That would make your whole argument of speed and Shunshin, useless.
If we go by the second way, that he used a weaker version of Tsukuyomi. Then it means I'm right and that Sasuke can't control time, because Danzo said he can't.
So instead of going with this whole long discussion let's just accept what we've been told and not dive deep into small details (Sasuke won't need that long, Danzo seem to have spent too much time, etc..)
It's all baseless, and with no obvious proof to support it. There isn't like a timer in the manga. Naruto had a long (really long) skirmish with Pain in only 5 seconds (when Pain was waiting for his Shinra Tensei to charge.) So what you may think is long, can be just few seconds. It's logical to assume that Danzo didn't spend more than 2 seconds in that Genjutsu.
Sasuke's speed should allow him to get to Danzo in an instant, as in the blink of an eye. There is no way, Danzo noticed he was in an illusion, suffered through it momentarily, and broke it in a span of what couldn't have been more than 2 or 3 seconds. I'm sorry, but no ninja has shown that kind of capability in terms of breaking genjutsu, not even Sharigan users like Itachi or Jinchuriki like Bee. For the scene to make sense, there has to be a time lapse in the genjutsu that is longer than that in the real world.
You say there is no proof because you don't want to see things from my perspective. You already said there are two ways of interpreting Danzo's statement, which to me doesn't give much weight to your argument as to you saying that is why Sasuke can't control time, because in your interpretation Danzo says so. The idea that for plot's sake Sasuke didn't do what he always does is also very weak, although I won't discount it because the plot has "dumbed" characters down before (Your example with Itachi isn't a good one IMO, Itachi is fast enough and skilled enough to do what he did when going all out).
We're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one.
What do you think would have happened had Madara have Amaterasu?
Raikage has Black Lightning.
Darui can do it.
Itachi and Sasuke can do Black Fire.
The very symbol of Uchiha is Fire and the main man who almost have everything from Rinnegan to Mokutun Uchiha Madara can't do the greatest fire form - Black Fire Amaterasu?
Why can't he not do it when as the Uchiha's greatest senior he's supposed to do so?
As he, Itachi and Sasuke can use Susanoo, wouldn't it much more of consistency had he shown Amaterasu?
MS Jutsus are awakened, not invented, learned/trained. A MS user can't decide what kind of power he awakens. Shisui had Kotoamatsukami, Obito has Kamui and Itachi had Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi and Susanoo. Madara either didn't awaken Amaterasu or he didn't use it yet. It has nothing to do with Madara's skill, talent or him being the greatest Uchiha ever.
Now that the Alliance got some huge firepower (Hokages, Orochimaru, Sasuke), odds are high that Madara will be forced to use his MS Jutsus. But it's up in the air if he has Amaterasu or not. If Madara in fact can use Amaterasu, you can be sure Kishi made him not using it for plot reasons. I mean, many of Madara's deadly AOE attacks can be countered one way or the other, since the Alliance have the time to react. But Amaterasu is nearly instant, so there is little to no room for the Alliance to counter that.
As for Susanoo: It was never stated that you specifically need Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi to use Susanoo. On the other hand it's implied that you just need two MS to use Susanoo.
"madara: the sharingan manifest their real power when they are in a complete pair \\" [Ch. 602 - aegon-rokudo]
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It's hard to say whether he has Amaterasu or not. If he does, then it would be quite the lark as Madara should have had the upper hand against wood, at least.
In any case, generally speaking, each MS User gets unique jutsu. Obito obtained Kamui and his other S/T jutsu, Shisui obtained Kotoamatsukami (and something else, probably), Itachi obtained Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi. Strangely, Sasuke has only shown Amaterasu thus far. He should have another one.
Then there seems to be a number of MS Jutsus that anyone has the potential to use, such as Susano'o, Izanagi etc.
Actually Sasuke has Amaterasu because Itachi implanted it into him.