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I was reading through older chapters of One Piece, when I came across the chapter where Luffy and Zoro meet Blackbeard in Jaya and get attacked by Bellamy: http://www.mangareader.net/103-2332-...apter-225.html
Reading through that for the first time, one probably didn't pay much attention to the fact that Zoro and Luffy correct Nami by saying that it's not "he", but "they". Could this in fact be a hint pointing at Blackbeard, somehow, being more than one person? This perhaps sounds absurd, but we're talking about the realm of One Piece where anything and everything seems possible (hell, we were introduced to living toys just now). The duality of Blackbeard could thus explain how he's able to have multiple Devil Fruits. It's not the first time we've been told of Blackbeard's abnormal body structure either..
I'm pretty sure what they were talking about was that the rest of his crew were present but hidden.
Though there is a slim possibility that you are right.
Well, it's the basis of the Cerberus theory.
it was kinda unclear to me too.what i thought was that luffy and zorro were referring to bellamy and his pirate group.when he said it's not BB but them(after getting beaten without retaliation),luffy meant he had a problem(or didn't like) with their view on piracy and dreams.i don't think luffy was talking about BB's crewmates.i don't think he even knew or cared about BB's crewmates.
now,i get it.i think it's just because BB sounded like a (real)pirate with a crew.like a man on a mission.hence,zoro and luffy think it's "they".
Last edited by takneeque; March 26, 2013 at 10:28 AM.
The nature of the darkness of the Dark-Dark Fruit is that it is a void. I suspect the effects of pulling and crushing are caused by the interaction of this void space with our material space. It doesn't seem the void can reduce matter to nothing. The void appears to be able to at least attempt to pull(or swallow?) whatever it wants, which I think allows it to disrupt the bond between a Devil Fruit user and their Devil Fruit, and perhaps take the bond when it attempts to move on from the host.
That's what I think it is. If it was because of his body I couldn't really make sense of his waiting to eat the Dark-Dark Fruit when he could have had that ability and more all along, unless he just didn't encounter any in his travels, but I doubt that considering he turned to the Whitebeard Pirates in the hopes of the opportunity to find a singular specific Devil Fruit. He could have been biding his time to get the ultimate powers to start his takeover, but I don't really see how that would be necessary, unless his biggest priority for the longest time was staying off anybody's radar.
Marco´s comment on BB´s body for example does not have anything to do with BB´s fruit, so Avid´s opinion is probably wrong.
"For normal humans that would be the case - but as you know Teach is a little different - the makeup of his body is... atypical!" (official Viz translation)
Then there is the third scene that is pretty much always overlooked, mostly due to the fan translations and subs. Stephen at Viz, who is, among others, responsible for the official translation of One Piece into English, had great problems with Ace´s statement when he confronts BB on Banaro Island. The fan translators have translated it referring to BB´s age:
"You´ve lived twice as long as i have, there´s no way you don´t understand the situation"
Considering that BB was 38 years old at that point while Ace was 20, it is not that big of a stretch to think it refers to BB´s seniority over Ace. The thing is, the actual statement in Japanese is really ambiguous. It is almost impossible to translate it 100% accurately but if i had to, it would be something like this:
"You have lived twice the amount of lives i lived".
This can still refer to BB´s age of course, though there would be no reason for ambiguity if that were the case.
Last edited by MiyamotoMusashi; March 25, 2013 at 05:45 AM.
I am absolutely sure that the Situation at Jaya, the OP talks about here, does not mean that Luffy and Zoro saw 2 persons in him or somethinglike that. But that he is in fact a member of a Pirate Crew.
Yes they intuitively knew he was in a crew! So the "they" they used was refered to him and the rest of his crew.
I'd stick to the Cerberus theory, as Uriel mentioned. Or he is just a weirdo with more hearts. Oh well, he could also have another guy hidden in that big belly of his, who he would be connected to somehow and share his powers, but that's just absurd.
I looked at the page when zorro and luffy met Blackbeard and I believe you might be right about being more than one being..
Last edited by EMS; March 25, 2013 at 10:34 AM.
I think that BB having two people within him and luffy and zoro being able to tell intuitively is not just wrong but also extremely disturbing. The manga is not dark enough to go there IMO. How would BB have 2 people within him to begin with? Is he a chimera? Does he have a twin brother inside of him from birth? The quimera is perhaps the less disturbing alternative....
I think BB was able to get two fruits because of his yami yami no mi basically. My idea is simple, he used his ability to attract things to suck out the ability out of WB. Perhaps he survived because his ability to negate DF abilities allowed him to cancel the process by which he would have exploded from having two abilities.
teach was in whitebeard crew without any ambitions to became a commander as he told ace but he was looking for the right devil fruit and did alot researched on it plus what marco said about his body, i really thing that blackbeard could be more than one or his devil fruit give him more abilities than just darkness power..
Ok, here is another idea as for how BB got 2 DF. As we know the darkness logia cannot let things go through the user as the darkness is basically gravity which absorbs everything. What if the reason BB didn't explode was that even if eating a second fruit did start the process he still wouldn't explode because the attraction caused by his gravity would prevent him from doing so? Of course by that logic he can eat as many DFs as the gravitational pull of his body can handle.
Quit reading so much into these rough translations. It's possible they realized he was one of the men who attacked Drum Island. It's possible they just assumed. Ace definitely was referring to Blackbeard having twice as much experience and only choosing now to really make any power plays.
So yeah, I'd rather stick to them being able to x-ray Blackbeard's body than being able to tell that he has a crew on the island without being given a valid hint.