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Or maybe, that's not the real Madara - anything is possible with Kishi...
It is hard to imagine where kabuto got some of madara's DNA, any theories on that? It never occured to me before.
I am sure kabuto visited many graves to get the dna of a lot of famous ninjas but Madara died under a rock and was never found by anyone, did he capture a zetsu clone and extract the information out of him?
I'm guessing Kabuto had info on where to find it, since Tobi himself was shocked that Kabuto was able to get Madara's DNA. Kabuto also did say that he also got bad DNA at times, so he probably kept searching for any trace of Madara and finally got the right DNA. Or he knew Madara's old hideout/s and was able to get enough DNA. Who knows? From Tobi's reaction we could assume he thought it was impossible for anyone to find out the truth or where Madara's body was.
I don't think the manga ever specified that the third coffin Oro tried to summon was Yondaime/Minato (though it did in the anime, but I'd say the manga is canon).
So who knows, maybe Oro actually tried to summon someone else...
Another deceased Kage from the other villages maybe? Or he might have even attempted to summon Madara?
It was a clear retcon and it makes Sarutobi look like a complete retard for not knowing it.
kishi used asspull to fill a plot hole because there is no way hashirama could be built up as the strongest with an aging sarutobi being able to fight his edo version off
and according to this final.art shinobi are even more formidable in their edo versions
so to excuse why hashirama and tobirama were actually weaker in their edo versions kishi had so plot to fill
Anyway, even if he did stop it, doesn't mean that Yondaime would have otherwise come out. Stopping it is a good idea either way, not knowing who could be in it.
Anyway. Could be retcon, or it could simply be sloppy chapter 117. Or maybe sloppy on purpose to leave room for what would otherwise be a retcon.
The fact that Sarutobi managed to defeat Hashirama and Tobirama is not a definite retcon in my opinion. It was never stated that Orochimaru had fully mastered the Edo Tensei, or that Hashirama/Tobirama were anywhere at full power. The subsequent explanation we were given was satisfactory to me.
Last edited by Azuma; May 03, 2013 at 02:54 PM.
Its not just DG. Its any souls that is sealed in ANYTHING. That jutsu does not work if the soul is not in the perfect world (afterlife). So how the bloody hell did Sarutobi did not know this? He obviously knew he can stop a coffin as he made handseals and he obviously knew how this works. He also knew where Minato is...
Last edited by Azuma; May 03, 2013 at 03:55 PM.
It would be impossible for Tobirama and later for Orochimaru who improved it to not experiment with it. Orochimaru more then Tobirama as this dude was a mad scientist. I am sure he would love to know this jutsus limitations.Quote:
Also another problem. That was not the first time Orochimaru summoned Minato how did it work before? We know how it is done from what Kabuto showed. You don't pop in the coffin from the start. This is how its done:
So how exactly was Oro able to do the above?