The coaches said "Who's this?" when they saw Ryoga, instead of
"Where the heck is the No.4 who is just 17, therefore his parents are going to be worried sick that we left him overseas and we're going to get our asses sued!!".
So for that reason, I think No.4 really was Irie/Tokugawa. And they have no respect for their country.
Oni got No.5 like... A year or two ago.
Kaji lost to 10Ball!Oni, or he lost to Kishin!Oni.
I think its the latter since No.6 Ohmagari gave zero shits watching 10ball from Oni.
I think the gap between No.6 and No.7 is like the gap that MUST exist between No.14 and the rest of No.15-20.
This is because Nationals!Tooyama > Oni only using BJK and Hakamada >> Nationals!Tooyama.
And No.18 & 19 shat bricks when they noticed BJK being prepared.
So Kaji has the saddest story. It really means Byoudouin and Duke wanted to have a laugh.
My issue is that No.6 to 10 gave zero shits that Kaji was gone.
So was Kaji stronger than Ohmagari all the way to Mouri?
Since I think Kaji deserves some respect, if Hakamada > Nationals!Tooyama, No.14 all the way to No.6 must be pretty good.
I expect Ban to be not better but at least the same as Hakamada,
No.12 was obviously better,
No.11 was either equal or extremely close to Nationals!Yukimura, No.10 I expect to not be better but at least the same as Fuwa
Ochi was obviously slightly better than Mouri, and Tohno and Kimijima showed no doubles specialties so they are just individual greats forced into Doubles so have to be a tiny bit better than Ochi.
Ochi cannot drop his service game against Niou and Atobe but he can take at least one service game from Niou and Atobe with Mental Pressure.
So we're looking at Kaji being above Niou and Atobe in Singles. Remembering Atobe couldn't return Mach serve consecutively.
So no matter what, Kaji's abilities deserve respect. For him to take out BJK!Oni and the Oni we saw looked like a got damn demon, implying Kishin Mode, Kaji has to be really strong.
The guy has no got damn pupils like Kishin Mode.
Also an interesting aspect that could point towards Kaji being defeated by Kishin!Oni is that on the volume exclusive page, he has blood on his forehead and the ball looks a bit bloody as well. It's not nearly as bad as Byoudouin's injury, but might still mean something given that it's the only injury we actually get to see.
Airgrimes... Oni always barely has pupils.
Look at his last match with Kintarou, he didn't have pupils since he started hitting 5 at once, that doesn't mean he is in "Kishin Mode" (...that exists?).
But like Kaoz mentioned, Kaji is bleeding in the updated version of the chapter.
I don't think 5ball should make you bleed. I think he faced 10ball!Oni at least.
Kaji deserves some respect. He just got caught on the wrong end of the coach's weird sense of humour.
If I have to guess, Kaji power is probably where the original #5 should be. (Original as in no hidden power)
Kishin Oni is probably #1-3, contending with Ryoga and Byoudonin.
PoP Oni, I don't know.
Last edited by -Ken-; April 05, 2013 at 04:04 PM.
Why would there be an empty spot on the original #4? It's not like the U17 camp is lacking in people. You can simply bump everyone one spot if #4 was really Irie or Tokugawa who refused to go and also refused to give up his position for whatever reason and grab a new guy as the new #20. In general the coaches don't really care about the fate of the losers. The coaches didn't care that the guys on court #2 are sent home packing by the Black Jackets even though that's not what's supposed to happen (the losers are supposed to just move down in court).
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I also think you can rule out Tokugawa as #4 in any case because he's only going after Byodouin so that means he wants the #1. I don't see him as a guy who settles for anything less than that. Irie could be #4 in terms of his personality/strength but his dialogue with Akiba doesn't seem right. If he's the former #4, he sure isn't getting much respect from someone who is #20, not to mention it seems kind of backwards the former #4 would be challenging the current #20 for a badge.
Surely they have spare badges in case one gets lost or something? And technically yes, but for the sake of tension or whatever I could see that being thrown into a flashback in the future instead.
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I don't think we know enough about Tokugawa to say he wouldn't take No. 4. As for Irie, if you look at Oni's situation, just BJK was apparently enough for No. 5 before, but in order to beat Kaji he pulled out at least part of his actual skills, so the abilities of the first string has apparently risen considerably while they were abroad.
It at least probably raise at least a little. I assume that from this.
When the U17 team came back they said if they're not careful the reserve team could've passed them up.
So the fact that some people on the reserve team could've gotten spots on the official team is nothing special in itself. Of course Tokugawa and Irie are likely good enough to be on the official team but they chose to stay behind. If they used to have a position they sure weren't introduced as the ex #4 or whatever player.
I'm pretty sure Tanegashima is supposed to have fear of flying, not just 'he didn't want to travel' so he's the only one with a legitmate reason to not go. Staying behind to train the team is all noble and cool, but as we see in Oni's case you still got to leave your badge behind. Not like that matters because if you're good enough, you can always get it back.
Fear of flying =/= Hate airplane for me. It could mean he hate because he fear it, but I just think he get drunk on airplane, so he decided not to travel. I don't think Tanegashima had a valid excuse at all.
The 1st stringer tends to have the general stupid do whatever you want attitude anyhow.
Byoudonin go train off camp for a bit after he lose to Oni.
Irie "1st stringer level" stays in camp to train people.
Tokugawa, another "1st stringer level" also stays behind until he can beat Byoudonin.
Oni also decide to stays in camp to train people, even leaving his title as #1 behind.
Kimijima pretty much takes out #8 player of ALL japan, and he doesn't even get an eye blink.
Tohno just bash around and shot ball at every loser in sight.
Duke was #3, but he doesn't really get like he's in that high of a position. He pretty act like Byoudonin yes man.
If #4 exist, he's stranded in another country although he used to be all hail as part of G10, the "Ultimate Army".
I won't be at all surprise if Shuuji just stays behind because he doesn't like traveling on airplane.
Weak excuse, yes, I agree. But I think this arc as a whole is sloppy writing at best. Although I do think G10 match are rather enjoyable to read.