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Neah. Both Orochimaru and Sarutobi knew perfecly well the jutsu. Sarutobi even does a handseal and then clearly states he stoped it in time. He was sure. Its just 1 of the many retcons.
After re-reading 619 something caught my eye.
The dialogue here between Oro and Tobirama then to Tobirama and Hashirama implies a few things. Tobirama the aggressor of the two Senju Kage is known for his ruthlessness, but also as kage would seek an alternative for the sake of people.
Based on that dialogue I had a theory that since Hashirama says "it wasn't a proper jutsu" he obviously knew of its conception before death but more importantly why it was made.
I believe it was a similar decision to Madara's to carry out Mugen Tsukiyomi in order to create a world of peace. The angle from Tobirama's side would be to revive the lost members of their enemies and or personal loved ones to shield themselves from the loss (or fear of loss) to create a world of peace. However during research and development of the technique he and hashirama (maybe even madara) decided to stop pursuit due to human life exchange or whatever reason until Orochimaru/Kabuto's re-development of it.
I also believe Madara may have had a hand in creating the Jutsu, since he broke the seal, or at least knew more detail than he claimed Hashirama did. Another side theory is that Madara may have realized "loopholes" like Orochimaru using Zetsu for Edo Tensei
You have to understand that you first prep the zombies. You don't just pop them in said coffins. Remember Kabuto showed how it was done when he used Danzo's bodyguards.... So Oro already somehow used it...
Use the link you provided:
Just 1 page back. Sarutobi does HANDSEALS and states how he needs to stop the 3'th. I asure you he knew the jutsu as his teacher was TOBIRAMA... He used a handseal to stop the summon. He was not just flaping his arms about.
He does handseals, states he needs to do something about the 3'th one and then he states he stoped it. Its a clear example of retcon.
Last edited by xXan; April 04, 2013 at 02:47 AM.
No, Madara himself stated the jutsu was made to level battlefields. It was made for war.
Last edited by xXan; April 03, 2013 at 05:34 AM.
So it is conflicting then...?
i remember reading after they were first summoned, it being explained that they were not summoned at full power last time
which also explains how sarutobi was able to fight them off
Look at Sarutobi's hand... It was on his hearth... He was probably thinking what i said above, "good thing i am immortal or my hearth would be gone".
Orochimaru couldn't summon Minato back then because his soul was sealed inside the shinigami! How should he revive someone without the soul?
He cut the shinigamis belly recently... That's why his soul was set free and the Edo Tensei was possible.
Last edited by Skyguardian; April 04, 2013 at 02:54 AM.
Just because the DG was summoned doesn't mean you can use the souls sealed inside of him. At least it was never said.
Read my posts in page 1.
Regardless of the second time...
The first time, having just watched the anime in English, and Japanese subtitle, and read the manga...
Sarutobi, CLEARLY stopped the 3rd coffin.
Which, seeing as he knows the RULES of EDO TENSEI and the REAPER DEATH SEAL...
Was pointless....cause he should have KNOWN that MINATO wouldn't have been able to be summoned.
So again, all evidence points to slightly bad writing...