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However, based on the history of all the past captains, it is safe to assume that decades of service are usually a common factor for shinigami who become strong enough to gain the position. In addition, Kuchiki once mentioned that at least 10 years of training is required to master the Bankai.
Moreover, Isshin was the head of the Shiba family. I think it's another safe thing to assume that only individuals with significant age and standing are given the position.
Judging by Soi Fon's previous statements about the responsibilities carried by the heads of royal families, I doubt that a 20-something would be given the position.
Aside from all this, even if Isshin is a 25-year-old, we are given the premise of an adult gaining interest in a high school girl, who we know eventually marries the mentioned shinigami in the future to give birth to Ichigo. Thus, I started a humor thread comparing this manga with one of the most despised romance franchise today.
As for Team Ishida vs. Team Isshin? We do know that they eventually meet each other, and that Ishida was technically engaged to Masaki even though she ends up with Isshin.
But no, really. Of course it has a plot. There's a good guy and some bad guys with evul plans and the good guy has to stop it just like in every shonen, and there are things happening and whatnot. You could argue that the plot is sloppy, but of course there is plot.
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Yet for some reason Kubo can't do what others do all the frickin time.
But lemme explain: Yuki and whatserface served the purpose of acting as the Dr. Watson of the arc, to ignore everything that is going on so we knew what Quincies were (after ten years, tehre was good need to remind people about the Quincy conflict), and so the main character could appear in a new light to save their asses and thus stablishing him as the main character of the story. As for Unagiya, whe was used to drive home the point that Ichigo should rely on other more, while her son was there so that readers didn't think she was perving on Ichigo when she boob-hugged him.
You might as well argue what use there is in characters like Keigo or Mizuiro. Then again, these appeared when Bleach was not hip and popular, and therefore they're cool. It was before the days when Kubo drew just for money, right? And so on.
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For all we know, a year in Soul Society could be 3 months in the human world. Although that is extremely unlikely, I'm just using it as an example to illustrate my point.
Age is a relative thing. For that reason, when discussing how old they are relative to each other, it would be best to compare a human and a Shinigami based on how large of a fraction of their life that they have lived. So, if we were to say that Masaki is currently 18 years and that her lifespan is 100 years, that is, relatively speaking, the same as if Isshin would be 1800 years, with a lifespan of 10 000 years. This seems strange at first, but really, it's the only thing that makes sense. It is not like a Shinigami is an adult at age 18. Hell, Hitsugaya hardly aged 2 years between the flashback and the present.
As for Isshin being interested in Masaki, it isn't that strange. As of now, there has been no indication of this interest being sexual. It seems more like he's interested in her because of her Quincy background, just as she's interested in him because of him being a Shinigami. (PS: 15+ is legal in Sweden).
As for the bolded part of the quote, you previously wrote Isshin vs Uryuu, which would be Ichigo's friend. In retrospect, you must have meant Ryuken. I was slow in picking this up because I've never seen Twilight I guess and didn't make the connection.
There has been no mention of a rule, whatsoever, that dictates that a year in Soul Society is measured differently than a year in the real world.
2) "compare two different species living in two different dimensions just like that"
Quincy is a human, a species that becomes a spirit with the potential to become shinigami. They are not two different species. The term species, itself, is inappropriately used here.
3) "it would be best to compare a human and a Shinigami based on how large of a fraction of their life that they have lived."
This is an arbitrary rule that you have pulled out of absolutely nowhere.
4) "There's a reason that Kubo (and most people who deal with this) hasn't gone into depth with this subject because it gets way too complicated."
Ockham's razor. The reason that Kubo has never discussed the relative time between the two dimensions is because there is no difference. We are never given any reason to believe otherwise.
5) Point 3 and Point 1 would not be compatible, as your "measure of a year" must be drastically different if your claims are true.
6) Even if your claims turn out to be true, we still got a supernatural male character who has most likely lived decades and centuries and look older than he looks (The vampire/Shinigami). We are given a teenage, high school girl who peaks his interest for nonsexual reasons (blood for the vampire, the quincy lineage for the shinigami). Their relationships become sexual despite the ick-factor associated with the age difference, giving birth to a child whose gifts are an amalgamation of the abilities the two parents possess.
That is it. I am pretty sure there are other literary works that bear more similarities with this arc, but I believed that comparing it with twilight would get more responses. And I was not wrong.
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2) Unagiya's introduction just served as a backtrack of Ichigo's growth, regardless. We already had Ichigo learning to rely on others more when they entered Hueco Mundo to save Orihime (remember his talk with Chad and the others).
3) I consider characters insignificant/pointless if they serve one or two roles and then are never mentioned again. Could their actions have been undertaken by other characters we already know? Was there a big difference that was made by their presence? The re-introduction of the Quincy could have been done by anyone else we knew from Soul Society, or from the Ishida family. Kubo had little justification to waste the precious pages to characterize the newly introduced Yuki and Shino just for the purpose of reminding us about the Quincy, when it was clear that he had little care for them, himself (the minimal detail placed into their physical traits and the dialogue that can mostly be boiled down to comic relief. They are the Jar-Jar Binks of the Bleach universe).
Not to mention entire battles/fights we could have done away with like those between the VCs and the Fracciones; they could have never been drawn out and we still would have gotten to the same ending.
My point?: Kubo has pacing issues and a lot of his directorial decisions have little justification.
^None of that would actually be relevant to the discussion. Regardless of how a year is defined the current situation is that ishin would by whatever standard be at least decades(ours) if not older than masaki. Even ishin's "biological" age would be irrelevant to the argument in many regards too, the entirely lifespan he has been around would still be much greater than masaki's own. If time goes in one place at a different rate then the situation is still bad considering everything. I mean, if time goes 3 times faster in SS than in then human world then you still have the scenario that in the 15 or so years masaki has been around ishin lived at least 45. I doubt time in the human world actually goes faster than in the shinigami world.... Not once has that even been hinted at and so far everything seems to indicate that times does move at the same rate between worlds (except unless dangai does something). We saw the calculations done by yoruichi regarding rukia's execution and the gang's arrival, they assume time travels at the same rate between worlds.
Ultimately what would matter here is the entire amount of time each character has been alive(and not the subjective systems by which time is given meaning). Shinigami do age much slower but it still does not make sense to compare people between their biological age, hitsugaya is actually the best example for that. Could an 13 year old be a captain? Hitsugaya might look 13 (or whatever age he is supposed to look at) but he does not act as if he was 13. He acts like someone his age would act at least otherwise he wouldn't be a captain. Seriously, the only way hitsugaya could be captain of a division if he really acted his biological age would be that his divison specialized in video games, napping and masturbating... Hitsugaya might look 13 but he is 80 and has the mind of an 80 year old dude (one that makes sense in bleachverse anyways considering the extended lifespans shinigami enjoy). Its not like other captains are that better off anyways. Byakuya and gin were supposed to look like teenagers the age of ichigo at large and them dating masaki instead of ishin would not be any less weird at all.
Also a grownup is the same in major personality as another grownup, no matter age differences). But I have to disagree on some aspects of your post and towards the end of my post agree with you.
Rukia has lived 10 times longer than Ichigo, she's estimated to be 150 years old.
Yet, she appears as someone as same age as Ichigo, 15 years old, who has grown at a normal age.
Then we got another example, old man Yama-Jii, who "appears" to be 80 years old, but he has been around for at least 2000 years.
Here we got a big problem, lets do the math, and lets just assume Yama-Jii is 2000 years old for a moment, if he's older it would only reinforce my point.
2000 / 80 = 25
150 / 15 = 10
So Yama-Jii has aged at least 25 times slower than any normal human, whereas Rukia has aged 10 times slower than a normal human.
This has to either be because ageing slows down the older a shinigami gets, or it's because of the level of reatsu a shinigami has, there is likely no other explanation alternatives.
Putting this into perspective, we can't figure out how old Isshin is until we have more data, it's simply impossible. We can guess however...
About the time differences between Soul Society and the human world I agree it's unlikely, I think it would be pretty weird when we see people crossover from SS to the human world and vice versa back again, and never experience any time differences.
Heck they can even communicate "live" between Soul Society and the human world.
There are more examples, but I think this is enough to put the time difference between Soul Society and the human world debate at rest.
Atleast I can't see any logical way of this being possible, and I too think it's highly unlikely.
Next, someone will point out that Bleach is similar to 50 Shady something (Sorry, can't remember the title). However, it's party true too because Urohara is a shady character after all.
and she dies with the said boy's phallic object lodged in her throat.
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Besides, aside from the "ick factor," one of the couples born from "May and December" romances that remind me the most about Isshin and Masaki's relationship is that between the vampire and that girl. That's all there is to it.
^In Japan you can get married when you're 16 to a man of any age as far as I know so I don't see what the problem is.
People are free to share whatever opinion they have towards the issue. Hence, some view it as acceptable. Others view it as somewhat morally reprehensible. As morals are fluid from culture to culture and from country to country, there is not one single appropriate response. However, I come from a country where the age of consent is 18 and from a place where the May and December romance is not as common. Thus, I responded to the situation with a bit of "ick."
And on a statistical standpoint, it's not really accurate or fair to draw assumptions about an entire population based on such a small sample size as celebrities.
Nor is it justified to assess a culture or what's considered acceptable behavior based on what you see on popular television. I mean there was this hidden-camera show where they had an actress playing a homophobic waitress who was creating a ruckus when they planted a gay couple and their children dining at restaurants in NYC and Texas; more people spoke out for tolerance and acceptance in Texas, the red state, than in NYC.
Generalizing things is a very dangerous thing to do.
Every time someone accuses Kubo of being lazy and not planning things, and Bleach of not having plot or character development, just put this link on your post and be done with it.