Unknow, look at most of the big's man's bounties. Ace was 550, Jimbei is more than 400, and some Shishibukai are higher.
Since Luffy is gonna become the Pirate King, stronger than the Yonkou and the most wanted man of the world.
I think that the WG seing the Mugis making a very big mess on Dressdosa (connection with Kaidou, Shinokuni, CC, Dofla etc) they'll definitely rise all of their bounty.
And look at Big Mom's men : the turtle-lion is 340k and most obviously he will fight Sanji or another strong one (not Zoro he's for the Blade guy).
So, I think that in one year time, Luffy will be 550+, Zoro/Sanji 250,300+, Franky 200+ (he's super strong) and the other will rise too but I've no idea about them.
What's up with you people giving Luffy an insane bounty of 600 million ? The... ?
Kidd who's probably just as strong as Luffy and causes much more trouble throughout the course of 2 years, has only 470 million bounty. This is the point of saying it's hard to increase your bounty after 300 million.
Ace can't really be compared to Luffy. Ace was much more dangerous in both fame and power. That's why he had such a remarkably high bounty.
As for what I think, it should be like this :
Luffy : 450 million.
Zoro : 315 million.
Sanj : 280 million.
Ussop : 60 million.
Franky : 120 million.
Nami : 40 million.
Robin : 210 million.
Brook : 115 million .
Chopper : 60.
Last edited by KingOfNight; April 24, 2013 at 11:01 AM.
^You people? thats kinda rude.
Anyways, ace made it to 550 million not even being the captain of a crew. He was a commander which is remarkable but we still know the governments like to make distinctions between the captain and the rest of the crew. At this point it would be questionable whether luffy is weaker than what ace was though. Ace was about as strong as jinbe and it does seem like luffy is at least equal to jinbe.
Right now luffy is the captain of the strawhats, a crew with at least 2 others capable of taking on VAs and on the level with shichibukai to some degree (zoro and sanji are that strong nowadays), a pacifista like fighter with advanced technology and a woman who read ponegliphs. Luffy has at his disposal a huge amount of power with just that. Of course then there is nami, who has remarkably dangerous weather technology (we have not seen the full extent of what she can do but it does seem like she has a lot of power), ussop is not the deception reliant brat he used to be, the pet is a monster and brook is a world famous undead rockstar. Then there is the consideration that the strawhats made 30000 allies at fishman island (which is something the world government would now know through smoker), they have allied themselves with the heart pirates and are making a pretty big move against doflamingo and kaido. Even if they do not succeed a nation disappearing is not that far fetched an occurrence when there are that many big players about to get severely pissed off. He could also collect powerful allies at the colloseum which is no laughing matter considering a few of them do seem to have a lot of power.
Getting past 300 is difficult but luffy already cleared that mark while being fodder and right now he is no longer fodder and is directly against the biggest players in the new world. He is about to take on a shichibukai and a yonko, if he succeeds a 600 mil boundy is not far fetched at all.
I don't want to start an argument on who's stronger. But in term of fame, Ace easily surpasses Luffy. Being a captain is no major thing. He was a commander of the WB pirates. it's Whitebeard pirates man, the mightiest warriors of the sea. Ace was equal to Jinbi as a fresh rookie though.Quote:
As a pirate, Ace's fame and power was acknowledge even by the Yonkou. Disregarding who works under him, his actions even as a rookies was outstanding. Being asked to join the Shichibukai and even defeating one of them in a one-on-one. His very dream was to achieve great fame, and he completed it. People throughout the world commented on his strength being "out of this world." Then he went partying in the New World (and by partying I mean beating up tons of NW veterans.)
If and when that happens, you'll be right. But this will probably not happen for another 500 chapters. Luffy just stopped being a baby and actually begun challenging the big guys (something Ace has done since the start of his adventure.) Challenging a Yonkou is no major feat (seeing as all Rookies challenge them) defeating one is the hard thing.Quote:
Luffy as he is now, I don't see him getting such a huge bounty. Even if he defeat Doflamingo, I don't see it.
Well, when the manga started ace definitely had more fame than luffy but I would severely question whether that is the case by the time of the first timeskip. Luffy personally trashed ennies lobby, he was blamed for the ID incident and even if he was protected he was still extremely notorious among the pirates at marineford. Luffy was not a commander or anything of the sort back then but in terms of fame he was the most notorious of the supernova and his actions earned him a 400 million bounty, an astronomical number so disproportionate with his strength at the time that the idea itself is laughable. Luffy is not really behind in terms of fame (or strength) when compared to ace IMO.
500 chapters? Luffy and co are challenging doflamingo and screwing with a yonko as we speak, this is not 500 chapters away... its more like 40 (assuming a year long arc). Even then, luffy clearly has the strength to be worth more than what he currently is. Law has 40 more millions than he does after all and he is responsible for the murder of a few marines, not the trashing of the 3 great marine bases.
I meant taking out a Yonkou in a one-on-one. We won't be seeing that any time soon. Should he defeat a Yonkou at this point, it will be due to several help and the credit will split between him and whoever helped him (namely Law.)
What we also need to take into a count is how will this arc end, this could not only end with Luffy beating Dofla but also with the potential collapse of a country and the gathering of dangerous crews arround Luffy.
We are yet to know what are the bounties of the main crewmembers of Kaido or what his bounty will be so it's very hard to make an assessment right now.
My guess is that Luffy's bounty will be 550-600M after beating DD which will also get a bounty raise to 500M just like Jinbe got one from 250M to 400M
Zorro will triple his bounty just like Luffy did in his raise from 100M to 300M
Sanji will rise to 299M just so he wouldn't have a whole number like some big guys we've seen had 80M(Crocodile and Boa).
Franky will be at 200M since he's now a freaking Pacifista and also because his role in destroying the plant, he will be recognized as the one responsible for the destruction of Vegapunk's Lab.
Robin wil be at 160M so she could raise her bounty like Crocodile
Brook will be at 80M
Ussop at 70M and now with his own poster as the king of snipers
Nami at 50M
Chopper at 1M still not considered as a pirate :P
KingOfNight is right 600million is crazy at this point in the story.
Its pretty simple if Kid is 475million and Kid is no weaker than Luffy and there is nothing to suggest he is weaker, and Kid has been an asshole by wiping out innocent people, he also has Killer in his crew who is probably equal to Zoro, and the fact that Kid as Shakky said has been in all the papers just like Law and Luffy, it means Luffy cannot get higher than 500million right now.
Ace got 550million due to the fact he was with Whitebeard. The threat of being Whitebeard's third in command is greater than being the leader of the Strawhats right now.
The Whitebeard pirates had some kind of ownership of various islands just like the Revolutionary army do.
I'm sorry but Luffy shouldn't have a higher bounty than 550million no way. Not yet at least.
Unless Kid's bounty lifts.
We also need Oda to reveal the Bounty's of many others at this moment to tell where Luffy should stand.
We need to know the Bounty's of all the current Yonkou to make an appropriate judgement.
And Marco too.
While its true Luffy trashed the judgement place EL, he won't get the full bounty recognition of it since the BusterCall also took part in trashing it. So it wasn't personally all Luffy. He did wipe out tons of Marines and a Cipher Pol leader though.
He did take out ID, but the intervention of BlackBeard and the fact he was with Ivankov, Jinbei & Crocodile means he can't get full recognition as if it was Single-handedly. Even the marines can probably figure out he would have died without accomplices in ID.
At Marineford? The man that truly trashed the place was WhiteBeard so I think 500mill is the highest Luffy should get right now.
Of course this current arc looks just amazing and classic Oda where the build-up and tension is amazing so its possible he does things to earn more than a 500mil beri bounty. But right now? I doubt it.
if rufy defeats dd,his bounty should surpass kidd's again,not to mention that dd is one of the strongest pirates (likely much stronger than Ace). Therefore,I'd like the WG to give him the same bounty ace had: 550 Million
Zoro should have either 240 or 360 (his first bounty was 60,then it duplicated up to 120,imo it will duplicate again). Yet, 240 seems too below luffy's expected bounty, but the difference in kidd's and his vice-captain's one (killer) hints that zoro may just reach 240 M.
Sanji's bounty goes either to 199 M or 299. the difference he has with zoro seems to be decreasing (at the beginning they had 60 M of difference,now they have 43, it may go to 41 now). I believe oda will give again a significant difference: zoro will laugh at sanji because his own is above 200,whereas sanji's isn't. or above 300 whereas sanji's isn't (I imagine this discussion: lowest picture on the right )
Franky should reach high levels,since he is a kind of pacifista now,his bounty will surely surpass the 100 M, maybe it will go to 180 or something like that
Robin hasn't improved much,imo, it may be worthy of 100 M,though
Chopper will be deemed as a monster after they will see the strength he can reach (without knowing it lasts only 3 minutes), he should reach and surpass 100 M
Brook's freezing power is strong but not special. and the Wg won't likely know he can send his soul, 70-80 M would be enough
usop and nami won't advance much,imo. there's also the possibility that someone's bounty won't go higher, if it doesn't happen, then usop may reach 50 M,and nami 40. something like this
it's true what other users are saying here: there's a distinction between captains and their crews which the WG wants to make (just look at kidd's crew: he had 315 while killer had 162; luffy had 300 and zoro had 120, now kidd has got 470,having added 155 million,whereas killer has just reached 200 M) ,but the emperors are a different case, just think of Big mam, her bounty must be above 600-700 M, but one of her men (who isn't obviously her vice),peacoms, has got 330 M. jinbe joined her and his bounty overcame 400 M, ace had got 550. Imo,the Wg gives higher bounties because they can't deal with them (otherwise they have to enter into war) and hope someone else kills those pirates in order to have more money.
The reasons behind the bounty doesn't need to be revealed. Luffy got a 100 million bounty for defeating Crocodile, but that wasn't revealed to the public (instead it was said that Smoker did the job). And Jinbe bounty is probably not related to Big Mom, it's just how much he is worth.
As for people with bounties higher than ace.... well, they would certainly be exceptional people however the new world should have a lot of pirates worth of mention. I would think that outside the yonko their main crewmembers should have bounties at least in that area if not higher. For instance, I can't imagine marco, jozu and vista having lower bounties than ace. They have been pirates for decades and have important positions in a powerful crew. The other yonko should have crewmembers like that too.
Besides, I doubt the supernova are the only giving the new world hell and a few of them have indeed reach quite insane bounties. Its not like the new world spins around the supernova (it actually spins around the yonko), the new world should have plenty of pirates who like them went to the new world to make a name for themselves and succeeded from before the worst generation. As for insane bounty numbers, remember enel? Oda said his bounty could be 500 mil if he got to the blue sea and enel wasn't even properly strong. He had fighting skills but he ultimately relied on being a logia.
I do think even now 600 would not be that absurd for luffy though. He got 400 when he didn't have the strength to do anything on his own except against similarly weak people... Right now luffy has all of his feats behind him and on top of that he has actual strength alongside having as subordinates soro, sanji and a pacifista like creature. Luffy right now is more dangerous to the world government than what he is given credit for IMO.
No, the war was just about getting Ace. The World Government wanted to eliminate Roger's bloodline. Doing so was so important to them that they were willing to risk war with Whitebeard. Nowhere was it ever said that the Government was targeting Whitebeard.
Luffy's current bounty reflects defeating another Shichibukai, hitting a World Noble, leading the Impel Down jailbreak, participating in the Marineford War, and sneaking back into Marineford to ring the Ox Bell. It is not clear if his relation to Dragon is reflected in his current bounty. Every single one of Luffy's bounty have been given for embarrassing or defying the World Government. His first bounty was given by Nezumi, as revenge for defeating him at Arlong Park.
If bounties reflect power levels, someone needs to explain Robin. Her bounty at eight was higher than Sanji's current bounty. Would an eight year old Robin have been able to defeat Sanji one on one?
Last edited by Kaiten; April 26, 2013 at 12:48 PM.