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Sasuke was not defeated twice, as the swords' wounds you keep speaking of were not fatal. The help Sasuke received was largely minor compared to Bee drawing on Eight tails chakra, its cloak advantages, and accelerated healing. Naruto had all the intel against pein and still he lost. I am unsure how that is even comparable.
The fight wasn't over wen Sasuke went down a couple of times. The fight was over when be substituted in the eight tail tentacle,and waited for Taka to leave. Bee was peaking his head barley out the water to make sure Taka was gone... That's when the fight was over... He DID NOT want to continue.
Sasuke walked into that fight:Originally Posted by Azuma
Still wounded from fighting Itachi
With fodder on his team
With no information on him outside of the fact that he's a jinchuuriki
With a newly manifested and premature MS
And with the intention of avoiding killing Bee
Naruto went into the fight against Pein with:
Knowledge of the majority of his powers
While Pein was holding back to not kill him
While he had already fought multiple ninja up until this point
While the strongest Realm was on down-time after destroying Konoha
With multiple toads already summoned with him (not by him. Big difference.)
And with the living Reset Button, Kurama, waiting on standby to bail him out of his loss (see: surviving Chibaku Tensei)
He also started the fight with killing intent, only choosing not to kill him in the end.
Naruto was set up to win that fight. He had far more help than Sasuke had against Bee.
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He sure as hell didn't win.Originally Posted by KingOfNight
Anytime someone else uses their power against you, and that power forces you to flee the battle, you LOSE.
Bee conveniently saw this loss however, as a chance to flee from his responsibilities. He didn't start the fight wanting to find a scapegoat for skipping out on his duties. The idea came to him on a whim. And that whim came to him while Sasuke was removing his foot from the deepest corner of Bee's ass.
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Bee states that Sasuke ran Raiton through his body to force the blades to miss his vital points. We're not distorting anything. You're just omitting the parts you're not willing to accept.Originally Posted by Azuma
Didn't Hachibi ask why Bee was playing around when he could have finished the fight? I know Bee did say Sasuke was strong, but the way Hachibi made it sound, he'd have lost to Bee if he was serious.
Why the hell was my post deleted???
Hachibi said that bee was winning the fight before he transformed of he wasn't needed. Bee turns around and say Sasuke was one of the strongest ninja he ever fought:
But it still shows that Bee could have won if he wanted to once he started using Hachibi's chakra to make himself look like the miniature Hachibi. I'm actually curious as to whether Bee know about Amaterasu though. Maybe he could have planned his escape from the point he saw Mangekyo tomoe?
I don't know. Large or small he still has no answer for Amaterasu. With that being said, the fight is what it is. Sasuke did a shitty job, but in the end bee fled.
Oh, he certainly would've won if he hadn't transformed. But he transformed because he was having fun toying with Sasuke... and it came back to bite him in the ass. He did NOT allow himself to get shat on. That was out of his control. It just happened because he got cocky. After he got flash-fried he threw his hand of cards on the table and said plainly "I fold". While hiding he got the bright idea that he could use this chance to get out of Kumogakure without being tracked.Originally Posted by M3J
Don't get me wrong: he had Sasuke and Taka soundly beat... until he didn't.
Though you're arguing another one of those slippery slope arguments. If you're gonna say "Bee would've won if he was serious", then I could simply say "Sasuke would've won if he knew how the hell his powers worked. And wasn't still injured. Or holding back."
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It's not "only logical" at all. It's completely delusional. He already answered Amaterasu.
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Some prideful kid came to your place to kill you.
You beat his ass and made sure to show him whose laying down the law.
Then you went on a vacation without finishing the fight. Why ? Because you satisfied your urge to beat him and left him as a failure.
When you've been winning 98% of the fight with little effort, then you got hit by a surprising attack and managed to survive it. You sure as hell didn't lose.
Last edited by KingOfNight; May 11, 2013 at 07:35 AM.
That's just wrong, the substitution was impossible until Sasuke cut the tentacle saving Karin.
Not a scratch, he was burned from Amaterasu.
Yeah. Amaterasu is instantaneous. Oh wait? No it isn't. As long as one can run faster than Sasuke can turn his head, one will never get hit by Amaterasu. Fact.
Also, it is a safe assumption that if the Raikage has knowledge of the Amaterasu then Bee should also have that. You accuse me of distorting facts when you claim that the Amaterasu is instantaneous and that Killer Bee fled from the fight when it was clearly stated that Killer Bee wanted to use that opportunity to escape from the village.
Please show me one moment where Bee was taking the fight seriously and Sasuke managed to keep up. And again, even though the sword wounds weren't fatal by themselves, they left Sasuke unable to even get back up and fight. He had clearly lost by then already. He was only saved by Suigetsu. Saying that Sasuke was still injured by his fight against Itachi holds little to no water. There were no signs of that.
There is no way around the fact that Bee defeated Sasuke twice without even going all-out. Number Eight Version 2 or whatever he calls it would have been far better suited against Taka and I doubt Sasuke would've managed to hit Bee with an Amaterasu if he had used Version 2. Sasuke was a complete beginner with Amaterasu at that point. The thing that saved Sasuke's ass in that fight was that it was completely plot-driven and Kishimoto could not have had Bee annihilate Sasuke. Bee didn't go all-out in that fight and still came out victorious. Going into that clumsy Ox-form makes his attacks more powerful, but he is far too clumsy to fight someone like Sasuke like that.
Last edited by Azuma; May 11, 2013 at 08:14 AM.
So, from your POV, bee waited for taka to leave before going to his master rapper? What the hell is that? you sound that bee was freaking scared to your sasuke in a sense that he don't want to be seen and waited for an hour before going out to that lake.
but anyway, i'm just wondering, why the hell that even though bee/hachibi was being hit by amaterasu, they never considered it as a threat nor they scared like a shit like what you're trying to say? HAve you seen a manga scan that shows bee and hachibi was scared to death with sasuke's amaterasu? Did they even talked about those black flames? No, no and no. But still, it's your interpretation. So goodluck with that.
http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/415/5 That was the onlt tentacle that was cut, the others were burn oof by Amaterasu. So te hottest flames in the world don'tleave burn marks? Yea right.
No signs of getting his ass kicked? http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/415/3 yea rigt.
Our friend and his group left the village without hiding.
Everything i've said is all manga facts,and ifyou can't except that then theres nohing more to say.