Now the author is indeed forced to somehow create drama. He can't kill the mainies, so side characters have to suffice. The impact's usually created by either giving the side character very likeable traits or by having a close relationship to the mainies. The problem we have with Hunter x Hunter is that the world is FAR from being static + pretty damn huge. You don't have Killua and Gon always staying at or returning to one village/house/whatever like most other shounen main characters, they travel from place to place (like what Hunters do). The next point is realism: Heck, the world in Hunter x Hunter is extremely huge. How likely is it that you meet a person again after you've traveled to a totally different place? Not very likely, until you share a common or similar purpose.
That's why there's barely a person who appears regularly besides Killua & Gon (+ ambivalent (main) villain Hisoka) and that's why there's only a very limited choice for Togashi when he needs to create drama: You can't just use a random char all the time so he has to choose either someone who fans (probably) appreciated and whose death will have an impact or someone newly introduced.
Obviously that does not mean you have to like it, I respect your opinion and agree to an extent but that's the price you have to pay for a relatively realistic story. It's one of the things that makes Hunter x Hunter different from a lot of other shounen and honestly, I prefer that a lot over series who barely kill a single character (or just kill countless nameless ones). It takes guts and creativity to take another approach and while it may not please everyone, it's something I enjoy and appreciate even if the approach isn't executed really well all time time.
... okay I will comment the rest later, this took longer than I thought XD
^ Haha. Well this is a case of "just because everyone does it, doesn't make it right."
Killing off characters can be a cheap way to bring drama. We know it's possible to almost never kill anyone off while still doing what you stated there. Just watch One Piece. Not killing off anyone unless it's sure to be impact-full to the plot is one of the reasons that a lot of OP fans are drawn to the series in the first place. Now don't get me wrong. I hate it when writers are not gutsy enough to kill any named characters off. I much prefer what HxH does over One Piece (if I had to pick between the two extremes in this case). But using death just to set a mood is not my cup of tea. Togashi could've given Pokkle (or anyone else who isn't main) some epic tragic side story involving the ants and done something really innovative for him. Sure it would involve more effort than churning out a panel of his guts spewed out. But instead he chose to kill him and about every side character that appeared in the arc. Just look at it like this: everyone dying can be just as unrealistic as no one dying.
All I'm saying is that death to me can be a sign of lazy writing. Might not be that way for some.
But seriously. How awesome would it have been for Gon to be using a Nen-enhanced fishing rod, Killua to use skateboard tricks (and yo-yos), Kurapika to integrate his chains along with his bokken swords, and Leorio to show some ninja-like knife skills? The fighting styles in HxH aren't as fleshed out as they could've been.
Wow. I'm just being really negative, aren't I?
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Not enough hisoka.
Hunters are like anbu, they get killed so easily
Basically, it's easier for the audience to sympathize with Killua than with Gon.
> learning to approach without being seen (by observing Pokkle).
> how to use his rod effectively
> how to apply that to moving objects.
> how to get the timing right.
> how to apply that to living creatures by learning to anticipate their movements.
Also remember his fight with Gido in Heaven's Arena where he used his rod to lift the floorboard to stop his spinning? And again with more floorboard tactics during his match with Hisoka? I think if Gon stayed calm he can make decent tactics himself. Unfortunately when he gets emotionally charged, well...
The difference between Gon and Killua is that Killua analyzes everything (well, not everything per se, but he has a wider scope than Gon and he probably sees the bigger picture) whereas Gon analyzes (I think there's a better term for this but I can't think of one) whatever he puts his mind to. And we all know when Gon sets his mind on something, nothing can sway him. At least, that's how I see it, but it's really hard to tell how Gon thinks. XD
Anyway. I kinda wish we get more moments like that. Hunting for Hisoka's tag is still one of my favorite moments in HxH, probably 'cause that's one of the rare moments we get to see his thought process. I thought it pretty cool since he thought of everything from the approach to the timing and also predicting the prey's movements.
It's not that Gon has a one-track mind, it's that he will set his sights on something and won't stop until he finds it. He has goals. As demonstrated many times in the manga, he's capable of analyzing a situation and doing what he needs to do to get things done. The hunting example during the Hunter Exam, the fight with Gido, and in the fight with Genthuru we see his thought process and how much pain he's in after he gets his hands blown off. I agree that aside from the "We're going to get Kaito back!" inner monologues, we see a lot more of the arc from Killua's perspective, but Killua also overanalyzes everything. And you see that in his inner thoughts. Gon will analyze something and is much more decisive in sticking to what he plans on doing. He'll take a moment to analyze the situation and then do it. Killua is more likely to sit there and plan everything out. That doesn't mean Gon isn't incapable of tactics, he's not bad at it. But there are some things Killua will catch onto that Gon will not.
Where Gon's downfall is that he can be too stubborn and get himself into sticky situations, Killua's downfall is that he overanalyzes everything. It's not necessarily a bad thing, and the way Togashi portrays this is true to the characters, IMO.
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Hisoka throwing a card or Shizuku hitting someone with her vaccum just doesn't cut being a fighting style. Instead of building on them, Togashi has a habit of replacing their styles all together for a "newer, better, stronger" (quote quote) one. It can work but leaves a strange taste in my mouth each time.
I guess I'm just not the type to favor the character who's most easy to like.
Him saying "this is none of your business" to Killua was how he felt in the moment. Killua was trying to cool him down and Gon essentially is trying to tell Killua "you don't understand how I feel about this."
Gon is right--Killua has no idea how strongly Gon felt about Kite until it's too late. But Gon also has no idea how much Killua cares for him--the strength in feeling is the same. The reader knows because we have access to many of Killua's thoughts, but Gon never realizes how strong of an impact he's made on Killua.
I think there is no property of hxH I dislike.
But while i do love togashi going out of his way to go into little things in great detail (for example giving us the vote charts in the election arc for every vote), it can sometimes be tiring.
The instances which come to mind are the rules of greed island and the auction mini arc in york new.
I felt a bit overwhelmed from this and those are the points of HxH i usually skip when rereading it or watching the magna episodes.
However, i USUALLY like it when he does that. Those little strolls make HxH a better manga, for example when he gives us very detailed ends for side characters (like after the chimera ant arc we even got to know what happened to the real diego) or the chapter in which he explained the rose and its history.
About a topic mentioned before in this (admittedly old) thread:
HxH might have not many female characters, but it actually treat its female characters better than any other shonen manga i know (except possibly magi, i only read a little bit of it but it looked like morgana had some depth, and if we want to count is as manga ToG).
In the beginning, we already had menchi who was a kickass (if stereotypical) star hunter.
Then we had melody, who was a character with an interesting backstory, the female hunters (with pakunoda being pretty badass in the end), biske, who is on of the strongest hunters we know so far and also a star hunter.
It's not much of a dislike, but I've really tired of "fans" giving Togashi a hard time, only to praise him again when a chapter is released, and then back to talking bad if he goes on hiatus.
I think it is the same with most literature which takes a long time inbetween releases.
Game of throne comes to mind.
Strangely, miura does not seem to get that flac.
Berserk fans are too sad and resignated i guess <.<
Nothing to complain about....Except I didn't understand Kirapicka's Strength in York New after reading G.I & Chimera Ant he power scaled wayyyy up there in a year. But with some over looking it makes sense how he did it....
**More Chrollo & the spiders
Dark Kontinent felt like a Toriko steal. HxH at 1st gave the feel of monsters/adventure/action/ etc.......Magic beast weren't a big part of the manga and almost didnt seem to really exist or pose a threat at all after the Hunter exam...From their the series went straight into Martial Arts/Supernatural Power/Adventure.....G.I was
an adventure game so monsters in there don't count. But interestingly here comes these overgrown Chimera Ants then we get the very similar feel of Toriko...where the human world is much smaller than ppl know or think and an half a globe exist that is full of mysteries etc etc.....
Toriko unlike HxH clarified that very early in it's manga..Togashi however juss sprang it on us, but Honestly he smooth'd it over very well, reintroducing magic beast as a threat to human populations or society, connecting them to this Dark Kontinent
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I do think that togashi 'steals' those things on purpose.
I think the King was a deliberate allusion to cell, we had our allusions to tournament arcs and to a lot more things which are common in shonen.
I think that he is still trying to somewhat deconstruct the shonen genre with that.
HOwever, i do believe that he planned the dark continent when he started the manga and constructed the character of ging at least to some extent.
I think some things in HxH are forgotten by manga readers because of the long hiatusses.
If you only watched the anime for example in one rush with one episode per day or so, the magic beasts would be in more recent memory.
It is actually a bit strange how strong he got.
He gets a huge powerup by fighting spiders, that is a given, but even aside from that, his mastery of Nen at that point was much higher than gon's or killuah's, which is odd because it is always said how insane their potential is.
But as it looks in the manga, Kurapica is much more adept at learning to use his Nen.
He managed to get a well developed Hatsu right after learning Nen, which is pretty awesome
But I gotta admit, it is a bit strange to get spammed about how awesome gon and killuah are in the hunter exam and in heaven's arena and even in the zoldyek arc and then have kurapica surpass them on Nen mastery by a huge margin.
It could be explained by his strong seek for revenge tho.
While Gon and Killuah focussed on strenghtening their ryu and having fun and training in heaven's area, kurapica searched for far greater power with a definite gial.
We know that Hatsus are influenced by personality, and thus people with a very strong desire or affection for something might have an easier time developing their hatsus.
It's not stealing, it's taking inspiration from something else, and he's not the only author who does it. Meruem for example is completely different from Cell.
There is no way he took the Dark Continent from Toriko, these kind of unknown lands are common in adventure manga to begin with, and it's known since the beginning that Hunters do these kind of jobs, it was just limited as of now because Gon was focused on finding Ging, his first "real" Hunter job was during the Chimera Ants arc.
Kurapika trained mainly to kill the Spiders and had fixed conditions for this, Gon and Killua mastered Nen too but their training was slower and the had no particular goal in mind, they learned the basics but hadn't thought about a Hatsu while Kurapika planned everything, it was noted by Killua when they ran away from Nobunaga, and they finally created their abilities at GI. Gon and Killua were still beginners and they were mostly talking about their instincts and their aptitudes to grasp things quickly, their skills should not be above every single beginner, there was Zushi to show how fast their growth was.
I say Steal because when the Dark Kontinent was introduced the way it was I immodestly thought of Toriko, & wonder'd why Togashi has never hinted or foreshadow this besides the Chimera Ants/King...Which at 1st was Somehow a Chimera Ant got out of isolation & mutated to human size etc etc
Aside from Chimera Ant's, the only threatening Beast seen were the one's Ging were riding other than that mystical Beasy didn't play into the plot or major scenery of HxH even though they did exist...
Meruem is definitely a homage to Cell no doubts about it Togashi admits this, & in Shounen certain trends are just Kool play with or pay respect too,,,But Naruto,Bleach & ,One Piece all had Meteorite scenes within the same year and few chapters apart..That I don't find as coeincidence, it was hilarious...Either way I juss got that feel from that revelation in the plot..
Kudo's to everything mentioned about Kurapicka exactly true...Here's the Thing Gon&Killua didn't finish their Nen training under Wing they cut it short & hung out in Whale island unt York New..Meanwhile Kurapicka Learned everything at an incredible genius rate as main characters do & learned everything they learned in the G.I arc & Invasion Arc....As mentioned before Kurapicka was already heavily motivated & ambitious in creating an Hatsu to defeat the spiders. From there he chose a strong unbalanced/risky power to give him more Strentgh ontop of his natural advantage of being a 100% Nen using specialist.<---That's why his Nen was so strong ...Kurapicka's Hatsu/Intelligence agains't Spider's is A1 top notch their ball park.......Physically/Experience/Reg Nen he's a bit under Knuckle/Shoot Lv