Well, I had the same thought!
I really hoped someone will try to use Kidou, so we could understand its effectivness on Quincies, but until now we can't understand if it is effective or not, but I agree that it's quite probable that they might obsurb it with their powers, but we need to actually see how it works in the actual manga.
Hope we are going to witness it in the next battle of the war.
But until now I seriously doubt that Kidou would be a thing that will let Urahara win this battle.
P.S. Even though I think the "Witch Hunt" would be started by Urahara fans)) And I would be the one to burn in the end in the fire))
Byakuya was perfectly able to damage Äs Nodt before he released his bankai. He released his bankai before he was even slightly pushed against the ropes.
The plan of the captains was to try and beat the Quincy, before their bankai was stolen. - and once stolen, find a way to unseal it whilst fighting them.
Byakuya thought that his bankai would only be sealed, thus he could unseal it somehow - he was gravely mistaken.
It was a really crappy plan. Shinji was shocked at the stupidity of their plan - and Mayuri is even more disgusted at their stupidity!
Byakuya only lost as he was unable to fight against his Bankai with his Shikai. Had he not released, I believe he could have (and would have) won.
Yes, Äs Nodt's power is dangerous, however the real danger to Byakuya in this fight was his own bankai.
Also, Yama, in his rage, made the same mistake as Byakuya… His swordsmanship is stronger than Ichigo’s, as is his strength. I see no reason why he couldn’t have put up a stronger fight against Yuha Bach, had he not used his bankai.
Now, I see no reason why Urahara couldn't also damage Äs Nodt. Also, Urahara can perform (or has shown to be able to perform) higher Hadou than Byakuya. Hadou is massively OP. I believe the main reason why most captains do not use it frequently, is due to the extreeme difficulty in performing level 90+ spells. Spells in the 90's can incapacitate a captain, even if performed inadequately. I can not see why Quincy wouldn't also be susceptible to such spells.
Then we have Urahara's high tactical ability, zapkauto's flexibility (it can shield, attack, restrain...), his gadgets...
Urahara stomps - fan favorite or not.
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What's shown and what's implied are very different. Urahara fought Chrysalis Aizen - and did a lot better than most - he was a former captain, and he's a genius. His Shikai is versatile and can be used for attacking, defending or whatever he fancies. He has a portable Gigai that he can and will use to create an opening.
It's not because he's a fan favourite, it's because he's hyped up to be a powerful character, has shown us incredible intellect, tactical skill and versatility, and is just generally impressive whatever he does.
If you don't think he's strong, fair enough, but As Nodt has only beaten Byakuya - and only using his own Bankai - and Renji. Shikai Byakuya was keeping up with him, and I highly, highly doubt Shikai Byakuya is stronger than Urahara...
That goes without question, the highest genious out of the whole manga,even above aizen,can't possibly end here. Notwithstanding his bankai is still unknown,his abilities are just too great!
Since As Nodt can't use Byakuya's Bankai, he probably won't do to well against Renji or Urahara since his Fear Spike seem to be close range only. If he sticks to Blut Vene it'll basically be him on the defensive this entire match with Renji and Urahara keeping their range. Without a Bankai, As Nodt is totally ineffective for this fight and I can see Urahara taking advantage of that. Urahara can probably also over power Renji with nothing but Kido so he's out as well. Urahara should win.
If Byakuya lost his cool against As Nodt, then I don't see Renji dodging him and if hit, keep his cool. If anyone is cautious, analytical and has a chance of analysing As nodt's abilites before being hit, it's Urahara. I also see his skills in combination with his intellect to make him one of the best fihgters (allround) in the entire bleachverse, probably around top 10 level in overal combat proficiency. My vote goes to him.
These fights start with no knowledge, and literally one cut is all it takes for the fear to kick in on a Captain level opponent. I see nothing indicating that Urahara has anything to stop this effect any more than Byakuya did. Once it takes effect, As Nodt wins.
Granted, Urahara's Kido is impressive, but he's unlikely to start off with it. As Nodt's ability is just his standard form of attack, and Urahara's unlikely to see a real threat from a cut as minor as what Byakuya received.
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Had he not released his bankai, I feel that he would have been less likely to have been cut - as he could already damage As Nodt at range using his shikai - something Renji could not (thus I do not see him doing anything in this fight).
Can Urahara damage As Nodt from range - before he gets cut? I'd say yes.
Is he likely to use a restraining technique on As Nodt? - I would also say yes. This is due to him using both restraining Bakudo and also restraining Zanpakuto techniques.
It is hard to say how much As Nodt's power played in Byakuya's defeat - to me, at least, it appeared to be a rather small part of him losing (if at all). Therefore, as long as Urahara doesn't go bankai (something that, unlike Byakuya, he is prone not to do - even against Aizen he did not), then I see no reason for him to lose this round.
I thought that he just couldn't use the bankais he had already stolen at that point.
Am I incorrect? The Quincy can not seal bankais in this tournament?!?
Ah, seems that they do not have their bankais. Then I put As Nodt at an even bigger disadvantage in this fight. Not that I think Renji can win, but his bankai being involved is going to make things difficult for anyone to get close together (as he can launch ranged attacks at them - and the best way to avoid Renji's bankai is to keep moving.)
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Urahara's "kido" were inventions he used against Aizen, well at least the final seal and the reiatsu cuffs were inventions. Those are not kido spells he can just apply to anyone. The '90th level' kido was used by chanting the incantation (which takes time) plus Aizen didn't even care if he was hit by it. Quite different to a Quincy who doesn't have reiatsu flow from their wrists and won't just stand around asking Urahara's best shot. Byakuya is capable of 6 rod light prison, and danku, which could trap As Nodt and block the spikes, but he didn't use it... stupidly omitted from their battle imo. Don't have any evidence that kido would work against these Quincy anyway.
Voted Renji, but Urahara should and would win. Versatility, excellent kido skills, the ability to analyze opponents attacks mid battle (see Yammy fight) and also one of the greatest minds in all of Bleach. Bankai Renji may be troublesome and As Nodt's thorns(arrows) as well. I can't really comment on the Fullbringer, he lost to Ikkaku whom I place at or around Renji level, so yeah.
Kyouraku also said this (knowing full well he could not use his bankai, as it would be stolen). So, considering the damage Byakuya did before he released his bankai, and the lack of damage he did following, I am quite satisfied with my way of interpreting his statement. But I guess that we will never agree on this. Unless something new comes up in this topic, I might as well stop repeating myself, thanks though for the polite discussion everyone!