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During Ichigo and Yhwach's first encounter, Yhwach tells Ichigo that he doesn't know anythng about his mother. Now, if someone utters those words, my mind immediately assumes that the person who said that knows something about the said person. In other words, I always assumed there was a clear, familiar connection between Masaki and Yhwach, something along the lines of Masaki being part of the Vandenreich.
We now know that this is not the case. Masaki was not part of the Vandenreich. In fact, other than Yhwach being her distant ancestor, there is no connection between Masaki and Yhwach. Yhwach's actions indirectly lead to her death, but the fact remains that Yhwach didn't know Masaki. It is very strange, in my opinion, that Yhwach would say the aforementioned phrase to Ichigo given that he, himself, knew nothing about Masaki. Based on the most recent chapter, the only thing Yhwach could add to "You don't know anything about your mother" would be "I was responsible for her death" which doesn't at all seem natural given Yhwach's tone at the time.
At the same time, it felt like we found out everything we could find out about Masaki in the most recent flashback. The Ishida household took her in at a young age and trained her. She practically grew up as their family member. Eventually, she gets infected by White and starts to undergo Hollowfication. After that, her relationship with Isshin kicks off. It doesn't seem like there's any room for Yhwach to fit in here. Thus, there doesn't seem to be any deeper connection between Yhwach and Masaki.
Still, the fact that Yhwach seemed like he was capable of telling Ichigo about who his mother 'really' was seems to suggest otherwise. It is completely illogical that he would utter those words based on what we know so far.
Could this somehow be a translation error? Or did Kubo simply use Yhwach to build up hype and suspense for Masaki's flashback, without never intending to give him an active role?
There's no relation between Jhwach and Masaki except he's her ancestor and the creator of the Quincies, and his blood flow in every Quincy out there, Isshin already explained it in the new chapter, so I don't see what's the problem here
He didn't know his mother was Quincy. And being a Quincy is enough to tell him, that he doesn't know anything about his mom. I too hoped for some family connection, but I don't know what's your problem with new revelation.
He said that Ichigo doesn't know anything about his mother, because Ichigo never knew she was a Quincy (hence why he got Quincy powers), and he also said that to Ichigo that he's his son born in the darkness because he's the origin of Quincies
Because of his status, he may be aware of every single Quincy that exists in this world, because his blood flows in every Quincy there, so he doesn't need to personally know Quincy if he wants to know things about them. Judging from what Isshin said, he probably regained his powers by targetting the Quincies he deemed impure from a distance, probably while he is in his palace, how did he pinpoint their locations and stuff ? With his blood perhaps
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Since Blut is Bach's blood he's bonded to every Quincy. Thus he can modify Blut as stated by Opie:
After he said Ichigo knew nothing about Masaki he said that he'll force Ichigo to surrender:
He then said he'll release his power and Ichigo's blut cannot save him:
What Bach was doing was referencing how Masaki died. Like Isshin said, Masaki's Blut Vene was exceptionally strong and she had never recieved a wound from a Hollow after Whitey. She lost to Grand Fisher because Bach "released his powers" from her and took her Blut Vene away. This is what Bach is referencing here. Ichigo is tanking his attacks due to his Blut Vene so Bach is saying he'll deal with Ichigo with the same tactic he used when dealing with Masaki.
I think it was more of a mistranslation, or a misinterpretation. Sometimes we can read too much into things, especially because of translations.
Masaki was given the exact room she needed in the story. Nowhere did Yhwach imply that he had anything to do with her directly, only that part about "My son" and "born in the dark". Ichigo knew nothing about his family, Yhwach intended to tell him everything about his family, and that's all that can be taken from that brief encounter they had.
Yhwach did know about Masaki. He didn't steal her powers randomly, he made a "holy selection," whatever that is. He chose Masaki as his target because of her impurity.
I guess we can figure the Bach family has many branches..some higher in ranking than others. Maybe the Kurosakis are the Quincy equivalent to the Kuchikis as they are to SS. Or maybe the Kurosakis and Ishidas are more like the Shiba clan. There could be some interesting symbolism to the these two fallen clans to have bred who is most likely known in the bleachverse as 'Save the world Ichigo'.
Last edited by conn-man; May 15, 2013 at 10:50 PM.
so maybe, he has a bit of Masaki's soul within him as well as all the others whose powers he took.
I thought Masaki was a pure-blooded Quincy, hence why Ryuuken was supposed to marry her?
Since he made a selection of which Quincy to keep and which to use up, he must have had knowledge about the lot of them. That shouldn't have been too difficult given their strict maintenance of the bloodline. They must have kept records of who was pure and who wasn't and what duties they were assigned and what have you.
edit: And had I read the thread I'd have seen that Zeta42 pretty much said that already...