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How about him saying "OUR goals will be accomplished" ?Quote:
How about Obito begging him to join forces with him and making lies mixed with flattery ?
How about Kishimoto saying that Nagato was taking orders from no one ?
As always, your ability to deny facts is astonishing.
What battle scenarios? Are you freaking kidding me?Quote:
Tobi keeping secrets from Itachi is not him fearing Itachi... Its him acting SMART. If you are prudent, keep secrets and keep an eye on a potencial enemy this does NOT mean you fear him.. It means you respect him enough to defend yourself vs said enemy. Also the fact that x can kill you it does not mean you are afraid of him...
How exacly is Tobi aparently having similar goals with Nagato and pstating lies is relevan to him fearing Nagato or not?Quote:
Its Tobi acting like a smart man and grabing powerful people to join his cause to achive his goals. Also its Tobi who needs Nagato and his eyes for the resurection plan...Quote:
Seriously what does this have to do with him fearing or not Nagato? Him using Nagato does not mean he fears him... Nagato was a excelent tool.
And where exacly did this happen? Where exacly has Kishi made the claim that Nagato takes orders from no one? I actualy gave you a LINK where TOBI ORDERED him to go get the Kyuubi and telling him he is NOT going to accept him failing at his task...Quote:
Seriously read Tobi here:
Stating Nagato is THEIR leader and not HIS...
Nagato making the praise that even Jman could have won if he would have known his secrets:
Tobi has complete info and the ability to port right next to Nagato at any time...
NAGATO HIMSELD STATING TOBI ORDERED HIM:
So Tobi ordered him and told him that he would not accept failure from Pein and then later NAGATO HIMSELF admiting he was ORDERED....
lol what? You have no facts to beging with so fact facts am i suposed to even deny?Quote:
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What was shown can be interpreted in different ways. Kishimot stated that in the Character Relation Charts. I'm not sure why many times do I have to say this, but he stated that they are mere collaborators. No one is leading the other.Quote:
I never said he was Obito's leader. I simply said he wasn't anyone else's subordinate.
He never admited to be inferior to them. He admited that Itachi was a man that could kill him but that does not mean Tobi is inferior to him. The posibility (and the actualy failed part) of killing someone does not put you above said man. Itachi was a man that Tobi was at best apprehensive about.Quote:
Tobi proved he could handle Itachi. Itachi died, he got Sasuke and Itachi's last effort to stop Tobi failed.
Then interpret differently this (i edited in the other post before you posted this):Quote:
Tobi ordering Nagato and stating he would NOT accept him to fail. He also made it CLEAR Nagato was the OTHERS leader and NOT his:
Then here Nagato HIMSELF stating he was ORDERED:
This has 1 and 1 interpretation alone. Tobi ordered Nagato. He also made it clear he is NOT his leader and the fact that he is NOT going to accept failure from him. The only explanation for one to be ordered about is if one is the subordonate of the other.
How about instead of posting that facepalm you actualy present arguments eh? Unfortunatly for you the manga actualy showed what i said there....
And once again Tobi was giving ORDERS and Nagato was FOLLOWING them... What exacly is Nagato if not his subordinate? Hell Tobi was even stating he would not accept a failure from him...Quote:
Karin's healing ability will always work in the same way that any person's ability will work in his dimension. But how can he touch Obito when Obito is outside and he is in Obito's dimension? Can he Shinra Tensei him? Even if he does his jutsus there he won't be able to touch Obito. No matter what he does in Obito's dimension it will always be futile. Nagato can't go outside unlike kakashi who has Obito's kamui.
Furthermore, Obito once stated that unlike Danzo, his Izanagi is a perfect Izanagi.
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Here Obito clearly stated that Pain is one of his subordinates.
Even Minato admitted during his conversation to Naruto that Pain was probably used/manipulated by the 'Masked Man'. Naruto then said how can someone as strong as Pain got controlled. And Minato replied that the 'Masked Man' may be using him because of his grudge with Konoha. Clearly Pain/Nagato was Obito's subordinates.
Doesn't matter. Battle strategists also give the commanders orders from time to time. Him begging Nagato to join, Nagato having different plans and Kishimoto himself stating that is more than enough.Quote:
i think kisame could take most of the akatsuki
nagato is too immobile and kisame would know his secret so the 6 paths wouldnt work
i would say
Izanagi, mastered or not, doesn't matter too much.
He also said he was the one who had Yahiko create the Akatsuki.Quote:
What he thought is his own thought. Konan stated that Nagato never worked under Obito, and Kishimoto stated they were collaborators. Don't dig too much into it.
Manipulated, yes. Controlled ? No.
Then present this manga facts with arguments and LINKS to the manga. Stop with the nonsese. I don't care what you think you have to the point you present them.Quote:
1- Link me to where Kishi made this claim. Go right ahead. Show me Kishimoto claiming this. Then when we have this afirmation we can debate on it.Quote:
2- The entire crap you posted there is strawman arguments and completly ridiculos. Nagato taking orders from Tobi is a clear sign of him ending up a subordonate of Tobi. You are refusing on screen manga evidence.
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Here. Scroll down to the character relationship chart.Quote:
Nagato taking orders can mean different things. You're sad denial of clear statements in the manga as well as from Kishimoto himself is nothing new to be honest. What is clearly stated > What is shown. Because what is shown can mean different things. What is stated is just as it is.
Nagato was following orders from Obito which clearly signifies he was a follower. He just changed at the last moment because of touching sentiments with Naruto.
When Obito used Izanagi against Konan it was an instant boom. The same may happen with Nagato. He may be thinking he killed Obito with an attack then boom at the back. That's how fast things can erupt. His izanagi is enhanced that we didn't see him perform hand seals only the flashing of his eye. MInato is the only one who can evade Kamui because of FTG.