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I've been thinking about this ever since we learned of how Masaki died. Despite being known as a powerful Quincy, she was killed by a random Hollow. Does that ring a bell? It sounds awfully like what we know of Souken's death.
Now let's list a few things we know about Souken:
1. He was opposed to using the Vollständig and preferred Letzt Stil.
2. He seemed to have regular meetings with the Vandenreich.
3. He wanted to be on good terms with the Shinigami whereas Yhwach took a much harder stance based on the Quincy Annihilation. He probably wanted to overtake the Shinigami.
My hypothesis is that the Vollständig is probably something Yhwach can 'give' to the Quincies in exchange for strengthening his link with them. Naturally, this wouldn't be an issue for those who are loyal to Yhwach, but Souken who disagrees with his goals could effectively be putting his life in Yhwach's hands. This is probably how we will see Ishida gaining a quick and significant power boost, Yhwach will merely 'give' it to him, just like he can strengthen the Quincies' Blut. I am certain that Yhwach is capable of doing so, as we saw Arrancars with Quincy powers. My suspicion is that Yhwach subsequently killed them off in order to retrieve the power he had given them in the first place.
Now, Souken was probably meeting with Yhwach to try and change his mind about the situation with the Shinigami. As I mentioned above, Souken sought a more peaceful co-existance with the Shinigami whereas Yhwach doesn't. It wouldn't be too far-fetched if Yhwach's ultimate plans involve killing the Soul King and take his place. Yhwach is, after all, somewhat of a Quincy God and would thus be the equivalent of the Soul King. Despite this, based on Quilge's reaction to Ichigo saying that Ishida is weaker than him, it seems like the Ishida clan has great potential as Quincies. They are also one of the few, pure Quincy clans left. That is probably why Yhwach did not kill Souken immediately - instead he likely wanted Souken to join the Vandenreich in their cause.
When Souken eventually died, it seemed like Ishida was roughly the same age as Ichigo at the time of Masaki's death, or perhaps a little younger. It isn't too far-fetched to think that as Yhwach was regaining his powers, he decided that there was no longer a need to keep Souken alive given that Yhwach knew that Souken would not co-operate with them and was thus a liability. Perhaps Yhwach noticed that Uryuu had great potential, far greater than Souken's, and decided to forget about Souken and instead recruit Uryuu when necessary (i.e. the present). Thus, Yhwach most likely 'took' away Souken's power as he had done to Masaki. But because Souken was a pure-blooded Quincy, this might not have been as effective against him as the impure Quincies and he would thus retain parts of his power - enough to fight back against the Hollows, but not enough to actually defeat them.
It doesn't make any sense that Souken would lose to a random group of Hollows given that he was portrayed as strong in the most recent flashback. Masaki and Ryuuken appeared far stronger than Souken, yet when Ryuuken panicked, he screamed after Souken which indicates that Souken is above him. Perhaps old age is also tied into this. Souken was very old at the time of his death and it could be that it is easier for Yhwach to retrieve his 'blood' from Quincies as they are approaching their end. That could explain why it doesn't seem like Yhwach has done anything to Ryuuken. The connection between the Quincy Powers and Ryuuken's soul might currently be too strong for Yhwach to break. At the same time, he probably sees no need to kill Ryuuken as it doesn't seem like he has any agenda whatsoever.
Since we moved into Ryuuken, we might as well discuss why Ryuuken seems to be opposed to the Quincy so much. It is likely that it is linked to the aforementioned. Both his wife, Masaki and his father had been killed because of Yhwach and he probably realized that nothing good could come out of being a Quincy. He seems to be rather skeptical and most likely believes that there's no way for the Vandenreich to overtake SS. At the same time, he realizes that if a Quincy actively oppses Yhwach or his beliefs, he would sooner or later end up dead. This could explain why he keeps telling Ishida that he has no talent and why he hasn't actually taught Ishida anything. Perhaps Ryuuken knows better than anyone that Ishida has the potential to be really strong, but is trying to keep him away from Yhwach by deliberately keeping him as weak as possible and discouraging him.
Last edited by Azuma; May 19, 2013 at 02:05 PM.
However I will say this about Ryuken. If he knew about Yhwach and the Sternritter, yet he still chose to call himself the Last Quincy, I think that can point to something deeper about the Quincy that we don't know. Perhaps the truth of Quincy Royal Lineage.
This post is probably a bit messy since it's basically a flow of conscious reply, so forgive me if something are a bit wonky.
Yes. I think the two are pretty much unrelated though. The first one was definitely linked to Yhwach in one way or another as it also matches the time when he was 'sealed' away. The second one was more related to them disrupting the balance of souls.Quote:
Interesting idea about the 5 war potentials, it is certainly plausible. I do think the two are comparable since the Soul King most likely is the Father of Shinigami while Yhwach is the Father of Quincy. We still know nothing about the Soul King though, so it is still too early, as you said.Quote:
The way I see it, the Quincy are short in numbers and it is thus possible Yhwach wanted to regain as much of his power as necessary by absorbing the power of all those who are completely useless to him, which would include Souken. This is a bit too far-fetched perhaps.Quote:
I do think the fact that Souken was away and most likely meeting with the Vandenreich implies that he was powerful enough to at leaast be recognized by Yhwach. Based on Uryuus, description, he seems far weaker than he should have.Quote:
If you think about it, Yhwach was sealed away 700 years prior to the 'second' Quincy extermination and regained his 'intelligence' 110 years after the Quincy extermination. Perhaps Ryuuken was referring to himself as the 'Last Quincy' of that era.Quote:
i think you are right, yhwach is most definetly involved in soukens death, if souken was against him then there is no reason why he would let him keep his powers as long as they where usefull elswhere,and him being a pure quincy may be the reason why he didnt loose his powers completly.
on another note, i think i know of someone who also got their power stolen by ywach, soukens wife, remember when we saw her scar that looks like the ones hollow bitten people have? and what a big deal she made about being pure and even told souken "you dont understand" i think she had her powers taken by yhwach just like masaki because she was impure,i think she and the other purebloods knew that being impure would bring some sort of calamity, which turned out to be yhwach taking their powers, it was probably a part of their prophecy and folklore.