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If you look at the scene again, that is not the logical conclusion there.Originally Posted by SoulAuron
Yamamoto gave up because he knows FOR A FACT that he could no longer win.
I mean, he could shunpo'd and dodge the slash. He could even used shikai. But Bach HAS HIS BANKAI.
Bach has Zanka no Tachi. And he can use it. How the hell can Yamamoto's shikai stand against that?
And how could you even consider comparing Wonderweiss with Bach as an argument? Really? Yama could have fought Bach like he fought Wonderweiss like Bach is just as weak as Wonderweiss?
Next is how could you even claim that when Bach used his sword to summon the bow in the sky he was not using his spirit weapon?
How sure are any of us here that Bach's spirit weapon is not his sword?
That is a lot of unsupported assumptions you made there.
Yamamoto knew right there and then that it was over when the leader of the Quincy held the reishi sword in his hands: IT WAS HIS DEFEAT and HIS END.
He was not surprise of the slash. Look at how the eyes were drawn here when when Bach stole his bankai:
Here is when he was slashed:
Those are not the eyes of a surprised/shock individual.
And you are wrong to claim that Bach did not consider Yamamoto a war potential because he lost a hand and did not have it healed.
The real reason is because Yamamoto's perspective on how things should be done changed.
He could have created a counter for the medallions just from Mayuri's findings in his experiments with the quincies. He did not.
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Last edited by Chojin; June 30, 2013 at 09:13 AM.
it is certain he is much weaker without his left arm, that much you cant deny, and all your points are very subjective, they cant prove anything.
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also his bankai would not kill the other captains so easyly, not if he finished his fight as soon as possible, only if the battle draged on would it be a problem, also its still just as i said, waiting to fight because of the risk your bankai poses is stupid if it gets all you soldiers killed, whici it would for sure, and when you take into consideration what i said in the previous paragraph, yama knew they would all die if they fought him, so no there is no way he could let that happen, if he did, everything would have ended in the same way as now, but with all the captains dead, and considering everything else i said in this post, yama also knew that.
The Yama fight between fake bach, and real Bach goes like this.
Yama kills Discoll takes revenge for Sasakibe, he the rushes to what he thinks is Bach we know it wasn't but not at the time(remember that?) Yama not knowing who he is really fighting makes a snap decision to go all out and release his bankai this makes the Fake Bach worry but still hold his ground because of the increased Blut Vene Bach gave him, Once Yama defeats who he thinks is the Real Bach (still at this point we didn't know it wasn't the real deal either) He lets his guard down and becomes a little relieved (as anyone would) But then the Real Bach appears which is game over for Yama, Yama seeing the Real Bach and the Fake Bach changing back to his true Lyod Ryod form, seeing this would make Yama not only desperate but confused, two of the most deadly things that should never be brought to any battlefeild. Real Bach knows this and he jumped at the opportunity that was before him which was to end yama there and then. Yama still in his Confused and desperate state tries a last ditch attempt to use his bankai which was inevitably stolen. As soon as the Real Bach made his appearance it was game over for Yama, noit because Yama was weaker then Bach but because he was fooled and made to look stupid, make rash judgements. This was Bach's plan from the start of the invasion. In fact i think and this is my own personal opinion, Bach's true goal in that invasion was to terminate Yama anything else was a bonus.
Mayuri was speaking more about the possibility of Quincies invading SS but Yamamoto ignored it.
I am the one who is agnostic about Bach being more powerful than Yamamoto and vice versa.
You are among those who claimed that Bach is stronger than Yamamoto.
I have proven my case, THAT WE CANNOT BE CERTAIN THAT BACH IS STRONGER THAN YAMAMOTO.
You haven't proven yours.
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By this logic, SR would have to be stronger than Gotei captains, which I find hard to believe, considering their not so stellar (no pun on 'Stern' intended) performance even against shikai captains.
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http://www.mangareader.net/bleach/506/13 could've been deeper and maybe even cut off Royd's arm (at least it got through Blut Vene pretty easily), and in that case the possible follow-up slash could aim at the body or the head... Royd would end up lasting much shorter and even wouldn't require Yama using bankai.
Yama has shitload of reiatsu, anyway.
nope,it was just that it's a too strong bankai to be wielded.the only one who could handle it was yhwach... wonder if this chap meant we are gonna see war again or if some time will pass...
i believe bach appointed him as his successor not as in uryuu will lead the quincy but bach possessing uryuu will lead them, notice he said he was the previous successor, yet how can he be if he is father of the quincy
I know this has nothing to do with this week chapter well more like last week chapter since its Monday here but for ppl you said they dont like ichigo dual wielding might change their mind i came across this eh i was gonna post an image but for some reason its not showing maybe its to big but here is the Direct Link :
http://browse.deviantart.com/art/ble...iler-379604384 Itsigo Dual Wield
and the Sword we saw before this is what i think it was not Flames but Well look and you`ll see
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Also, Bach made him look like such an idiot, yet the chapter before when Yamamoto explained why he wasn't afraid that his Bankai would be stolen, everyone was like " oh yeah, that does make sense.....". I'm guessing it's not that they are stealing the Bankai itself, but rather the Asauchi or rather the Zanpakuto spirit, which is why it doesn't matter whether they've seen the Bankai or not. According to the Zanpakuto Arc you can still use your shikai even if your spirit is gone, so I'm guessing that logic holds true.
Bach is one of my favorite characters of Bleach now, but hell no even without that arm he couldn't beat Yamamoto's Bankai. You are just completely screwed against that thing.
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