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Byakuya = A noble, a phenomenal talent, great at Zanjustsu, proficient at Kido, has exceptionally strong reiatsu even for a captain, versatile to deal with many battle situations, quick, intelligent, formulates battle strategies & adapts to situations on a fly (evident by Tsukishima's battle), fully committed to what he does, leader of one of the 4 great nobles, the Kuchiki's, rumoured as the strongest noble that ever came out of the Kuchiki's, elegant & has perfect control over his zanpakuto's abilities (A rather convenient & versatile zanpakuto at that, A zanpakuto that complements his exact style).
In the gotei 13 captain list, the only ones I could confidently rank above him is Aizen & Yamamoto. Everyone else either remains on his wave length or are below him.
Zaraki = A fighter whom surpassed Unohana at fighting with the sword, captain level reiatsu but still lacks the fundamental arts of the shinigami. He can't combat a fast, tactful, intellectual fighter like Byakuya whom has a deathly millions of fast moving blades to grind his opponents. Can he defeat Byakuya in a sword fight? Yeah certainly however Byakuya can & will rely on his versatility & speed to get him victory (Unless you think shunpo-less Zaraki can match Ichigo's bankai speed which is silly, Zaraki is absolutely disadvantaged to fight Byakuya).
Kyouraku = A master tactical & a trickster who gets the job done using whatever methods whether they be dishonourable or not. Could defeat Byakuya however it doesn't mean he is stronger than him. Shunsui is the sort of man that can defeat stronger opponents than himself due to his ability (I must have talked about what decides a battle several times now).
Ukitake = Certainly isn't in the same wavelength as Byakuya based on feats. Not even close! He has a shikai which can reflect energy hence Yama's fire had to have been rendered useless against his shikai but Byakuya can overwhelm him with millions of blades in all direction combined with his proficiency at Kido & excellence in combat. Truth be told Ukitake is overall the least impressive captain.
Vizard captains = Great performers & with control over their mask, they were granted greater boost in power. Trained for 100 years. Although they still haven't performed what would put them over a captain like Byakuya.
Ultimately, different individuals possess different fighting style & different fighting styles result in a different approach to battle. The other captains had performed excellently at their own individual talents.
Last edited by Kay3795; June 21, 2013 at 06:55 PM.
Byakuya is everything a captain should strive to be, but he definitely isn't one of the top dogs. He is the strongest of the new generation of captains probably; Soifon, Hitsugaya, Mayuri, and probably Komamura as well. I'd like to assume both Gin and Tousen were somewhat near his wavelength. The Visored Captians may be somewhere near him as well. Everyone else that's left is probably above him though.
Are you implying that Byakuya can match the Speed of Bankai Ichigo?Quote:
I understand how you could say Byakuya has "More" feats than most of these characters, considering how little screen time theyve gotten compared to him but in no way are those feats much more impressive than what these guys have done.
The fact that you say he is stronger than Kyouraku and Unohana of all people is making this very silly.
."Are you implying that Byakuya can match the Speed of Bankai Ichigo?" No I said "however Byakuya can & will rely on his versatility & speed to get him victory (Unless you think shunpo-less Zaraki can match Ichigo's bankai speed which is silly, Zaraki is absolutely disadvantaged to fight Byakuya)."
Ichigo dodged Byakuya's moveset, his senbonzakura with his extreme speed. Zaraki can't do that, he is a close range zanjustu only fighter, who lacks the fundamentals arts such as shunpo hence he is "absolutely disadvantaged to fight Byakuya".
.You need to look back at those feats then.
.Read things again, be patience & know what you are replying to before replying. Never put words in anybody's mouth. I said the performance of the other captains with the exception of Yama & Aizen doesn't imply any form of superiority to Byakuya, I didn't say "he is stronger than Kyouraku and Unohana".
You didn't say it but you implied it which is just silly. Byakuya being weaker than both of them is common sense. Also lol at Buyakuya having better feats. He beats Renji(real impressive), draws with ichigo on the hill which isn't anything to write home about considering we just found out Ichigo had his power suppressed this whole time. He beats Zommari who suffered from PIS and tag-teaming Yammy with Zaraki. His only legitimate feat to me is beating the fullbringer.
Zaraki has taken heavier hits and remained standing. The moment he gets near Byakuya, Byakuya will probably end up dying. And when it comes to speed, He is no slouch, ofcourse he isnt as fast as Byakuya etc but Speed will not be that big of a factor if these two were to clash.Quote:
Byakuyas feats pale in comparison to Kyouraku, Kenpachi and Unohana. You could possibly add Ukitake due to common sense. Througout, he has fought opponents weaker than the guys i just mentioned.Quote:
Thats the weird part, how did you come to that conclusion? Byakuya has not done anything more impressive than Kyouraku, Unohana, Kenpachi, Isshin, Urahara etcQuote:
Your Pure Reiatsu list is completely false.
Again, where do you get this idea that Byakuya is an overall better Master of the Shinigami arts than the rest of the Captains? Even Soi fon?Quote:
The fact that you confidently put Byakuya and Soi fon above the Senior captains is just... Silly.
You cannot put Byakuya in the same tier in Zanjutsu as pure swordsmen... I mean seriously, do any of you actually watch Byakuya when he fights?Quote:
Its like saying Yumichika is an excellent swordsman... Thats just plain wrong.
Again, your tiers just get messed up as you go along. Kyouraku has proved to have better Shunpo than Byakuya and yet you put him with the "rest"Quote:
Hell, you even put Komamura in there...
Again, where do you get the impression that Byakuya is on the same league as Unohana or Urahara? From looking at Uraharas Kido feats, Byakuya looks like an amateur.Quote:
Or that Isshin is very good at Kido? Where did you get this?
Are you being serious? Your tiers are an insult to common sense.Quote:
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I'm going to reply to this post first before I reply to the other.
That's the strength of a captain's reiatsu. That's it. You're making it seem as though overpowering aura is something beyond what is expected of a captain.Quote:
So, because Byakuya works hard, he's a 'master of the shinigami arts' that exceeds the abilities of other captains; do you realise how ridiculous you sound. Attributing Yuroichi's feats to Byakuya because she taught him a few things is pointless. So his obliteration of WW is what? He has shown ability far beyond the others you attempted to rank him alongside.Quote:
This rant is mostly irrelevant. The comment you're replying to was specific to the Hakuda category; the others he was tiered with have nothing that compares to Yamamoto on this front.Quote:
Seriously? You're actually going to stand by the assertion that Ikkaku is as competent a Zanjutsu user as Byakuya, Gin, Shunsui, Ichigo, and Ukitake. Just ridiculous. And you're support is that he can switch hands and utilise his spear in different ways? I'm confused as to whether I'm meant to take this seriously.Quote:
You are just hilarious. You constantly ask for links and feats, yet you arbitrarily ranked a group of seated officers that we've never even seen in action above captains. You just lack credibility.Quote:
If Yamamoto was impressed by their speed, they must be rather good at Shunpo.Quote:
Urahara's Kido feats far exceed Byakuya's; they aren't even close. And what do you mean by Unohana's healing ability seems to be closely linked to Kido? It is Kido, specifically Kaido. You're obviously arguing about things you simply don't understand.Quote:
He's on the same level as Aizen, really? I'm not arguing that he doesn't deserve to be on some of the lists, but how on earth is he ranked higher than Urahara or Unohana on Kido, based on what? How is his reiatsu on the same level as Yamamoto's? You're just making this stuff up.Quote:
I'm not arguing that these people don't have deadly abilities, I just thought it was a pointless category.Quote:
I'd say having an attack that turns anything into nothingness upon contact is pretty ridiculous, when you add that to an endless army, and the ability to become untouchable, Yamamoto's bankai is pretty hax. My objection to Tessai and Hachigen is that their abilities aren't specific to them, it's just kido that can be mastered. It is distinctly possible that others can use them.Quote:
It's the list that people might expect to see to a certain extent, mainly because that is what is supported by the manga for the most part when it comes to the captains.Quote:
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And several other pages where Byakuya's reiatsu can be felt far away. But since you are so obsessed with dpwngrading Byakuya maybe you could provide similar examples but with other captains?
So Buyakuya's reiatsu was stronger than a patched Zaraki who had suppressed most of his power. That's real impressive. And the fact that you think Byakuya has more powerful reiatsu than a full powered Zaraki who is a war potential grouped with Aizen and Ichigo is laughable.
Byakuya only started keeping up with Ichigo because he could not handle his own power... I.e. His Bankai was crushing his bones and he became slower. Even Byakuya noticed this, Zangetsu mentioned it.
Byakuya was absolutely humiliated. He did not fight on. Zaraki was simply fighting to enjoy himself to the point where he was going to die from blood loss... Not because of his opponents strength... But because he let himself get cut to enjoy the fight. Yet.. He still went on.Quote:
No, Byakuya has never EVER gotten a punishment as close or even remotely similar to Zaraki and kept on going.
Couldnt even Kill? After those shots, Tousens Bankai dissapeared. That is a sign of defeat. i.e. Cannot go on any further. Kenpachi had no reason to kill either one and he could have done so after the Bankai dissapeared yet he chose not to.Quote:
The guy could not seriously keep on fighting after the first slash, heck he was rather pathetic after that.
Note: Slashed - End of Bankai.
The speed difference between Ichigo and Byakuya is extremely massive. To the point where Ichigo could have easily chopped Byakuyas head... Twice... While most of his power was suppressed.Quote:
Ichigo was able to withstand Kido etc by sheer Reiatsu and Strength. Aizen was able to do the same. Kenpachi has, more than once, negated damage by simple strength.
And do you know what a split second is? Byakuya cannot use a Kido in a split second.
Quote:What has Byakuya actually done, feat wise to rank him above them? Please show us.Quote:
Being a Noble and having Shunko is guarantee that you have high reiatsu? KQuote:
Will reply the rest later...
http://www.mangastream.to/bleach-cha...15-page-5.html felt the chaotic nature of reiatsu being released.
2) During the SS fight, the spectator of Ichigo's growth, Miss Yoruichi Shihōin http://www.mangastream.to/bleach-cha...15-page-4.html
knew for Ichigo to tie (win) against Zaraki, it was an amazing thing. Granted!
However when it came to challenging Byakuya, she wondered if Ichigo was smocking some crack because there aren't no way he is challenging that Noble (yet) http://www.mangastream.to/bleach-cha...20-page-5.html
Wait a sec? Didn't Ichigo just match Zaraki? Why go through the trouble of training him in Zanjustsu, Bankai & many other things? Right because Ichigo obviously doesn't "stand a chance" http://www.mangastream.to/bleach-cha...20-page-8.html
Even before obtaining bankai http://www.mangastream.to/bleach-cha...9-page-16.html Miss Spectator obviously noticed that Ichigo had improve incredibly YET he wasn't ready to take on the Noble known as Byakuya.
3. Your third point solidifies that people here either don't read the manga, take pleasure in skipping details (making me reluctant to even converse if them), are fanboys or all of the above. Excuse me! When did SWP suddenly become people whom are the strongest? Do you all love being called out as people who spout BS or what? Dou you know that Yama isn't a SWP?
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