Yes, I Know however, there is no way to determine the amount of work that each member contributed. All we know is she was defeated by Hidan's technique. But we know that they both got brought into the fight, and it wasn't a Roshi situation or three tails situation where Hidan complained about doing all the work, or Kakazu was seen sitting behind a destroyed section of the building while Hidan finished up.Quote:
Yet, her fight with Obito keeps being brought up. This isn't the battle thread, I'm not trying to use his fight against Hashirama to say that he has some type of amazing ability which allowed him to survive. The fact of the matter however, he did survive. Even if we don't know the content of the fight. Konan we do know the content however, we know she died. She died, he didn't. I don't remember saying that it was a superior feat on his part. I just know he was still alive by the end of it.Quote:
Nagato fought and killed Jiraiya one the legendary three ninja. A battle that Konan was made to retreat from after being easily neutralized by said ninja. A battle that we actually saw Nagato take on the majority of the work, or all of it.
I can name something that both Hidan and Kakazu did apart from each other. Like I said before, he fought Hashirama. The results of which led him to kill the higher-ups of his village steal their forbidden techniques and live as long as he did.
Hidan was simply an insane individual who killed his neighbors after being frustrated that his hometown was being turned into a tourist site instead of a ninja village.
So you're giving Kakuzu the benefit of the doubt when the manga didn't show anything. And yet Konan gets nothing. You can see why Kakuzu seems to be such a question when the actual accomplishment that you attribute to him is something that we haven't been shown he did much to contribute to, other than be there.Quote:
When you keep suggesting that that is some significant difference, I'm assuming there's a reason.Quote:
But she was there. And something we actually saw and has some relevance or bearing "that actually stuck" as you put it? It was your question, I'm just applying it to other members of Akatsuki equally. The answers so far seem to be Kakuzu failed in his assassination attempt of Hashirama, he killed some old folks and fled his village, and Hidan killed some random unknown people. I can't imagine that any of these would've been accepted as responses to the question you put forth; a failure and killing random people...that actually sounds a lot like what you set out in Konan's column.Quote:
What would she get the benefit of the doubt for? If Nagato started a fight with Jiraiya and cut to the end of the fight with Jiraiya dead and her being there with him I'd give her the same credit. However, we actually know what she did. She started fighting, was neutralized and asked to leave by Nagato. We know that Kakazu got drawn into the fight with the host and cut to the end of the fight. If the narrative had given some sort of indication that it was like Deidara and the three tails or Kisame and Roshi he'd lose that credit.Quote:
The difference as I've stated multiple times now, he survived she did not. This may simply be my interpretation but it seems as though you're phrasing it like I'm saying that he deserves more credit because Hashirama might have been a superior opponent. If that's the case, I'm not doing so. The main difference is Kakazu survival. Had Konan survived Obito I would not be so harsh. However not only did she not survive him all the effort she spend trying to defeat him didn't amount to anythingQuote:
You asked me to name something that they've done apart from each other. I did. The same cannot be said for Konan in any instance except for her fight with Obito, which I acknowledged. However, the fact that that fight resulted in her death coupled with the fact that her efforts during said fight were practically nullified is where my distaste for the character comes from.
She was there, then we saw her leave on Nagato's command. That's something that we saw. Which would mean that it's not the same as the Kakazu situation. Just like I don't give Obito credit for capturing the three tails given the content of the situation. Obito was there but as stated by Deidara, he did all the work or most of it. And the question can be applied to the other members. Even Zetsu. It's something that they've done separate from their partners within the organization. All except for her, and as we agreed that's the problem.
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Getting some credit for accomplishments that she was involved with alongside her partner. Because on the one hand you're pointing out that she's never done something apart from Nagato as a major factor in your claim that she's the only member not to have accomplished something, but the only actual 'accomplishment' you put forward for Kakuzu is one that he was involved with alongside his partner.Quote:
And I'm trying to figure how that survival makes a difference when the only purpose of my original mention was feats, and Kakuzu's survival after his failure under unknown circumstances can't seriously be held up over Konan's actual battle.Quote:
I was simply asking the same question of you, I didn't bother to write it out completely because I thought that would be clear. The fact that the result is the same for Konan and some of her peers speaks for itself. So Obito was there and his partner did most of the work or all of it and so he doesn't get credit, fine. Konan was there and her partner did most of the work and so she doesn't get credit, ok. Kakuzu was there and his partner did most of the work and so he gets credit....why? You're applying two different standards without any actual reasoning for that difference. That's the problem.Quote:
The difference being we actually saw the conflict with the two tails. Even if Kakazu's involvement was vauge However, you are right.
Okay, fair enough. I concede for this one. Because I have already agreed that her fight against Obito was impressive, however the fact that she died and nothing came of it diminished the feat in my eyes. However, you are correct.Quote:
The difference for Deidara and Nagato are clear. Deidara claimed that he did all of the work, Nagato told Konan to leave the fight. What's the indication that Hidan did most of the work in the fight? The fact that she was defeated by his technique? That's the difference here. For instance, had Deidara not claimed to be doing the heavy lifting, I'd be giving Obito the same credit. Had Hidan complained to him about doing most of the work at the end of the fight, that would be one thing. However, that's not the case.Quote:
I understand what you're trying to say, however, unlike the previous situations that I mentioned, the narrative gave no indication on who pulled more weight in the fight. It was clear with Deidara given what he said, it was clear with Nagato given the fact that we actually saw her leave. With the two tails host however, not so much. So, it's not the same.
The mention of actions without a partner is what I meant by history. Admittedly once again, poor phrasing on my part. That's why I brought it up to clarify when you said that we know more about her history than other members even though it was through other people. Something that every one of the other members can claim.
man,kakashi's susanoo is more spam than obito being tobi...17pgs
Why the fuck Madara went through all the trouble to get his left Rinnegan? He could have just pulled that third eye of his.
Visual for the Robot version of naruto
erm sorry to ask this here.. but where is the chapter? did i miss something? golden week ?
no .. naruto .. and no other mangas? ..Wednesday today ?
Even if one were to argue that Hiruzen is a very analytical ninja and can decipher and break down a technique fairly quickly, or simply that he just knows all of the leaf techniques, (once again coming from the fact that he can use five elements) he'd have to see it at least one time. With Danzo manipulating his mind and the simple fact that he'd have to use that opening to unlock his arm it would not be the case. All of these things coming from the fact that he can use five elements, with four shadow clone's, as a zombie. That's bullshit.
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So... so scary, enjoy !
There's nothing to suggest that Sasuke "forgot". The very fact that he left Naruto behind to do what he felt he had to do would support that, since as mentioned, he has throughout this arc trusted Naruto to handle his "part" of the work. And how is Sasuke not knowing something was gonna happen implication that he would have rushed to do something before said event happen? Sasuke ran away after talking with Naruto, that much is clear from his own comment. There's no reason that Sasuke would try and get Sakura and Kakashi to safety, but leave Naruto behind, or state that it's all over after Naruto arrives unless he had an idea of what Naruto was sticking around for. You claim it makes no sense for Sasuke to "forget" about Black Zetsu, yet seem to want to only believe that was what happen, instead of the more "sensible" approach of Sasuke simply knowing or trusting Naruto to handle it. Now why would Sasuke leave it to Naruto and not do it himself if that was the case? Perhaps because if worst came to worst, Naruto would be far more capable in that situation, what with his ability to sense hatred already showing that he could find targets that normally wouldn't be capable of being sensed. Sasuke's not a sensor, the Sharingan can't see Zetsus, and as far as we know, the same is true of the Rinnegan. He would be the "less effective" option, which wouldn't fit his character to ignore.
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