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As you've said Kabuto is more at fault. A non-Rinnegan wielder was forcing a mindless Nagato to use his abilities. Kabuto knows some of its abilities but he's actually never used them himself. Though, Nagato's lack of muscle memory was the biggest handicap here.
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Chibaku Tensei and Limbo.
Naruto has countered both attacks.
Sasuke could do nothing about Limbo and Naruto was able to intercept them with his Shadow Clones.
Sasuke with his PS was able to destroy 2-3 CTs but he did not have time to destroy the others since IT was about to be cast and he had to protect Naruto from getting caught into the genjutsu. Though, that's not the actual point, Naruto was then able to destroy the remaining meteorites in one swoop showing that he was able to counter CT as well. He could just have simply shielded himself using his Truthseeker Orbs if he wanted but he also had to destroy them so as to save the alliance members from the Meteorites' impact.
In the end, he countered two of the strongest known Rinnegan abilities, that's undeniable.
How ? It's invisible.Quote:
Naruto was also in mid-air at that moment. With no Sage Mode's ability to sense chakra, no way he could have avoided getting trapped when he also had 100% of his focus on Nagato.
I'm talking about speed and reflexes, not power and jutsu. Again, Naruto's speed and reflexes have been exaggerated far too much, even though he did have an increase in speed after KYuubi became Naruto's butt buddy.
If he could make rasengan, which is more complex, he should be able to attack with chakra arm. I forgot if Naruto's arms were pinned or not though, but I'm assuming not as he was tugging his soul back? Could be wrong.Quote:
They were tough because of the Rinnegan. Without the Rinnegan, they'd just be normal shinobi relying only on what they know and have in their arsenal. The Rinnegan may not have boosted Tobi's own fighting power, but it boosted Tobi and was the reason why Naruto and Bee almost lost.Quote:
Would they have? I highly doubt it, especially when they died when the bijuu (who are living and aren't part of the jinchuuriki) were extracted.
Shared eyesight was one of the many pluses. Sharingan also helped them react to Naruto and Bee as well. I'm not sure if clones are enough, especially against the likes of Sasuke. I dunno if Sasuke can see natural energy though, but I'm not sure how Limbo works. I'm assuming it uses natural energy, but I'm likely wrong.
Handicapped even more, even though Naruto was likely the main reason why. The fight would have likely been in Tobi's favor if it weren't for plot induced nerfs like Tobi being unable to use Rinnegan jutsu due to the chakra needed to control the Edo Tensei and the bijuu. If Tobi could absorb chakra, use Shinra Tensei, and even Bansho Tenin, Naruto and co. would be in even bigger trouble.Quote:
I know, and I think current Naruto can withstand the shinra tensei too when he knows it's coming. I doubt he can do anything against the shinra tensei that leveled a village, but I can't see Naruto not withstanding it if he's prepared.Quote:
I believe the same even back then during their fight, but it would use up his chakra for clones and jutsu. Even without those abilities from the bijuu, I've always thought Naruto could deal with the multiplying dogs. Out of bias.Quote:
Same, especially when he had all the advantages in dodging Raikage like warning and already moving. Sage Mode combined with Kyuubi's chakra mode would make it pretty hard for nearly anyone to land a hit on Naruto, except for maybe Sharingan Minato. Benefit of Sage Mode being like Sharingan that can sense and the speed of Kyuubi's chakra should be enough that even Madara at his most powerful should have immense difficulty.Quote:
Did Madara even try to use preta's ability? Plot induced stupidity is what kept Madara from dominating, so I'm not sure if it's fair to say he can't absorb unless he himself admits it.Quote:
Apart from that, did Sasuke or Naruto hurt Madara? I only remember Madara, after recovering, taking damage when they worked together.
Given that he consistently has trouble with it, it does show Rinnegan is his weakness, if nothing else. Prior to the war, genjutsu would have been Naruto's weakness because he has shown inability to break out, but now he has the Kyuubi to save him. Without the Rinnegan now, no one has any chance of beating Naruto. Assuming he uses full power, that is.Quote:
I think you're the first or second out of countless members to actually agree with me - it was Kabuto's fault, not Nagato's legs'. Or at least, meet me halfway through as I still think the legs didn't hurt Nagato once Kabuto took over. He went from being unable to do anything but stand up while in control to running and supporting extra weight after Kabuto took over.Quote:
Wasn't Sasuke countering limbo and fighting on par with it? I'm confused as I remember Sasuke dealing with limbo just as well as Naruto was. Basically Sasuke has countered chibaku tensei and limbo.Quote:
Weren't the rocks and stuff falling? Easier to destroy them especially when you have the bijuu enhancing your power. Sasuke seemed to have been flying down rather than focusing on destroying the rubbles, but I admittedly forgot the specifics.
So has Sasuke, and both have had to work together to damage Madara.Quote:
oh right, it grabbed Naruto while it was invisible.... Forgot that.Quote:
Anyway, are you two sure you wanna debate about the war arc stuff with me? I seem to not remember a lot that has happened and don't care much to reread the arc as I do not want to relive the disappointment. If you two are looking for a good debate, you'll probably be wasting your time against me. Just saying. Plus, I'm just not into debating about these things anymore as I was months ago. :\
I don't really think so though. IIRC its only his speed that was hyped. Raikage praised him for dodging his fastest attack but he already warned him prior.Quote:
I dunno about reflexes. Like I said earlier, to me it just seemed that if he saw, he could dodge because of his superior speed. The sharingan works in a similar way. It doesn't give the users reflexes per se, but if they look at an attack coming, they can predict so they react in a way that seems like they have superior reflexes when in reality they don't.
Well naruto's arms weren't exactly pinned but nagato was out of his reach. Dunno why he didn't use chakra arms. I guess its just one of those things.Quote:
Well, I think they still have it. Minato did die (sort of) with half of kyuubi inside him. When he was revived, he still had it and this time could actually use its full power. I think its because he was edo that he could instantly use the power. We know that only perfect jins can use their full bijuu form without repercussions and we know that if a Jin that hasn't forged a connection with the bijuu goes full beast mode, they die. Edo tensei already brings back the dead so there are no effects of going fill bijuu assuming said bijuu was already in the shinobi when they died.Quote:
That's why ET is so haxxed IMO. The people brought back can literally fight with everything they have without worries. There's no pain, they don't die, they have almost unlimited stamina/chakra, dangerous jutsu can be used without a care etc.
Breaks all the limits that the living shinobi have.
Rinnegan can't see natural energy. Madara said sasuke could see limbo thanks to the rinnegan as that was what madara was using for the jutsu. Well limbo was pretty vague, but madara said they were clones in the invisible world or something but nothing about natural energy. If it was so, naruto would actually be able to see them.
Well what I meant about the clones negating the shared eyesight is that for the eyesight thing to even be a factor, sasuke has to be channeling his rinnegan through something or someone. As long as its not sasuke (who original Naruto would engage), any other source can be defeated with naruto's clones.
That would be way too haxxed though.Quote:
Well if Tobi wanted to go that route, I guess he wouldn't have been able to manifest the full forms. The bijuu themselves shouldn't be able to use the rinnegan paths (didn't their eyes remain normal in full bijuu mode? Not sure) so obito would likely have to channel it through jins in human form. Either way it would be a handful for naruto and co. By the end of the day, I think everyone from obito to naruto's team would be so worn out that no one can move anymore.
Well he should. He has the TSB for the huge ST. The TSB protected obito from four juubi BD going off in an enclosed space and it didn't even shake. A juubi BD was even capable of destroying far off villages or so. Naruto could probably just expand one in front of him and be completely fine.Quote:
I think he knew preta wouldn't save him from that. I mean from the instant he saw the FRS, he knew he was in deep shit. He ran away, then tried to use limbo. I guess it hit him before he could use preta or he did and it wasn't enough.Quote:
Well yeah but that was a result of his powers as the juubi Jin not rinnegan abilities. I know they needed teamwork for harming madara, but individually, both naruto and sasuke were capable of dealing with his rinnegan abilities one way or the other.Quote:
Lastly, after gaining 4 Limbo shadows due to possessing both eyes, Naruto used 4 Shadow Clones to combat the 4 Limbo shadows and that's all. Sasuke never fought them except when he threw his sword at the Limbo on the first occassion but it had no effect at all.
Not really. Naruto actually used his Truthseeker Orbs and added the Rasenshuriken's power to it. I don't know why he called it Tailed Beast Bomb Rasenshuriken at all since it was a Truthseeker Orb. ( It's probably because he didn't even know how the Truthseeker Orbs are called lol )Quote:
Ditto for when he used 6 of his Truthseeker Orbs. He expanded them and added the Rasenshuriken's power to them. ( You'll see there aren't any TSBs behind his back at that moment and later during the fight after IT ended, they returned back to him ) What's even more confusing is that when he first used the attack, he had called for Kurama's help and I'm not sure what Kurama actually did here. Truthseeker Orbs don't explode but rather than that, they expand to a much greater size ( first panel ) and they go back to their original size ( second panel ) and they return back to their user. Anything that get into contact with them when they expand are erased just like Onoki's Jinton but as you can see, Naruto's Truthseeker Orbs + Rasenshuriken's AOE easily dwarf that of Oonoki's Jinton.
But it was just to show that it was actually Naruto's own power in this situation and not that of the Tailed Beasts. Naruto used his TSBs though what is still confusing is why Naruto called for Kurama on the first time where he launched a single Truthseeker Orb Rasenshuriken but not on the second time where he launched six of them. :/
Though since we're talking about how the Rinnegan is Naruto's "weakness", in an actual fight with a Rinnegan user, it would be quite innappropriate to launch meteorites at him since he can simply shield himself with his TSBs.
Anyways, if you got time, I suggest you watch the anime episodes focusing on the war arc instead of re-reading the war arc.Quote:
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Someone kept hyping his reflexes in Konohagakure Arena, especially in that Naruto vs. Sasuke thread. Naruto's speed hasn't been consistent enough to impress me, and him dodging Raikage was not impressive because he had all the help in the world to dodge.Quote:
Try to punch Nagato but for momentum to give the chakra arm punch more power? He could have done more than just rasengan.Quote:
But the soul had half of the Kyuubi with it as they were sealed together. The bijuu and jinchuuriki were not sealed together or died together, only the jinchuuriki died. The bijuu were controlled by Tobi when they were in their jinchuuriki, as you can see by the chains and all. Once Naruto took out the chakra rod, Tobi couldn't control them, and the bijuu went away back to the Mazou. Rinnegan is the reason why the Edo jinchuuriki had their bijuu.Quote:
Yep, there's only one or two ways to defeat them. Sealing and making them attain peace. :\ Latter is cheesy beyond belief. That is, if the caster isn't willing to cancel Edo TEnsei.Quote:
I'm not sure how Limbo was used though, hence why I'm wondering if Sharrinnegan can see natural energy, if Limbo uses part of it. All I understand (likely incorrectly) is that only Naruto could deal damage to the Limbo clones.Quote:
Depends on how smart they are. Naruto's clones won't necessarily mean almost all opponents will lose. He had the benefit of fighting Edo Tensei who were taken over by Kabuto, who was running several Edos at once and had to think of jutsu to use. But then, I'm not sure if anyone can actually come close to Naruto's power if he went all out.
Tobi was pretty haxxed and had to be nerfed immensely so Naruto and co. would not be owned. I mean, imagine if Tobi could use all Rinnegan jutsu that he can use on top of the jinchuuriki he controlled who could go full bijuu mode. Naruto and Sasuke would be in quite a pickle.Quote:
Tobi should not have been worried about getting worn out, but I can't recall any of his chakra feat.
Or plot induced stupidity.Quote:
Maybe though I disagree, although I could imagine Naruto handling Kaguya on his own whereas he'd be owned by Madara.Quote:
Appropriate if it hinders his eyesight. Inappropriate if he can sense regardless. Appropriate if he can't see it coming (teleportation). Inappropriate if he can predict and react well.Quote:
Everything is a battle of appropriate and inappropriate.
But fillers. Naruto is what made me hate anime and stay away from it forever, specifically the filler arcs after Naruto failed to get Sasuke back.Quote:
Naruto Stage Musical Unveils Kakashi & More in Costume
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Last Naruto volume cover:
There are news/rumours that there are two mini-stories on naruhina and sasusaku family inside, as well as information on the new film focusing on Boruto.
"Apparently these 2 mini-chapters will be a ‘prologue’ for part 3 (the upcoming miniseries) and boruto the movie, showing the relationship between Sasuke/Naruto and their respective children (sasuke and sarada/naruto and boruto).
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Rogue turning evil because his cat died is more believable than Obito's story.
Naruto Stage Musical Unveils Orochimaru, Jiraiya in Costume
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Were's Itachi ?
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Neji vs TenTen a fan made video :
Full fight will be out on 02-16th
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If those minichapters exist, they're not in the index
did anyone get a copy of the volume 72 and the illustrations? is there anything new in either item? is it worth buying?
Madara wins the prize as the character with the most inconsistent abilities and capabilities.
Dance of War, Neji vs Tenten fanmade fight (full shortfilm):
Credits to Epicrival.
This TenTen is cooler than the manga one
Masashi Kishimoto wins 'Rookie of the Year' Award for Naruto
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