Don't joke ,wb was the strongest character,though aging affected him in the middle of the war. Yet,he owned sakazuki and a lot of other characters,such as BB. But I can agree with you that oda didn't deal with the war properly,that was quite shameful...all the heavy ones were fighting fodders instead of facing each other. But wb being the strongest is a matter of fact.
What's the point in talking about Luffy anyways?
Oh boy, he even died standing. How can you call pulling that not be the strongest.
If you really think that Vivi could destroy Marineford only by having the Gura Gura no Mi powers, you would completely ignore those manga facts. By the strength she showed back then in Arabasta, she'd most likely only would get shaken some boobs besides her own ones. I really like Vivi, but everyone sees that she's not nearly as strong enough to do any bigger damage to Marineford. Unless you want so see Vivi developing a biceps like that of Whitebeard in chapter 572, of course.
What's up next? "Whitebeard crushing Marineford is no evidence because even Moriah did that to Thriller Bark and he was took out by Jinbe with a single punch who didn't do a scratch to Marineford?"
And even if you're born with that, the user simply can be distracted. Otohime prove that.
And if you gained Kenbunshoku haki by training, you can only use it up to a certain point. Sanji prove that while being in Nami's body in Punk Hazard.
And Luffy prove many times by far that one's own abilities are turned off automatically when you've got one at your side you call friend - and Squard was Edward's family which goes even beyond as that is part of Edward's lifetime dream. No one would have ever guessed that Squard would betray Whitebeard of all pirates allied with him.
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1. You obviously aren't even slightly trying to understand anything I've said because you haven't countered any of my arguments. Edwards sneak attack doesn't matter because it was just that, a sneak attack. I've already explained that when these two fought head up, they were equals at the very "least". If you take into account Edward's age, sickness and lack of dodging skills, I think Sakazuki would win a fair fight.
2. How do I not have anything to base it on? IT IS IN THE MANGA! Edward only fights Kuzan and Sakazuki head up one each. We clearly see he loses ground to Kuzan. Marco and Jozu WERE in the war taking majority of the slack off Edward. Edward had pirates like Vista whom could go toe to toe with Mihawk on his team. If all the admirals DID jump Edward, he would die horribly.
3. Edward was one of only character there that did die. Sakazuki didn't take so much damage from fodder. Neither did Kuzan, Marco or Jozu. None of these pirates/marines died either. Edward was slaughtered in this war. Luffy was in the front line and he didn't take that much damage. I can't give him credit for that.
4. There was no error in my speech. Of course when I said Edward had pirates on par with the shichibukai, I was referring to the stronger of the bunch. I then referred to the weaker of the bunch because you brought up Ace being offered the position. Going by the original flow of the story there IS a such thing as shichibukai level because all of the originals were strong. Ace obviously wasn't on par with Jimbei, Mihawk or Kuma when Edward tossed him in his sleep so for you to bring it up in the first place made no sense.
Saying "Whitebeard isn't that strong" makes PERFECT sense if he is widely reguarded as the strongest on OP. It depends on how you comprehend things. You must have read it like "Whitebeard is weak" which is not what I'm saying. It is just a quicker way of saying "Whitebeard wasn't the strongest character in OP." If I said "Luffy isn't that strong" you wouldn't have the strong feeling of disbelief which leads to my point of Edward being overhyped.
Saying Vivi could destroy MF holds grounds. I highly doubt Teach has the strength Edward does, yet without any practice he could use the same destructive abilities Edward did. MF wasn't being destroyed because Edward or Teach were strong, but because of the gura gura no mi. It was said to be the strongest devil fruit in the world with the power to destroy it.
Your observation haki talk is all for not considering it didn't help Edward dodge any of the many attacks that killed him...Last time I checked, none of the other big names died in that war. In a head up battle that could last for days on end, trying to protect against sneak attacks would be absent so trying to use it against Sakazuki is pointless. Edwards sneak attack wouldn't happen in a one on one against an admiral, nor would Jozu coming to help. What would happen would be Edward possibly catching a heart attack.
On another note. Sakazuki has the power to mortally wound Edward. If he didn't miss Edwards head and hit him directly, he would have died. Sakazuki clearly had the power to blow chunks off of the giant.
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A team of three admirals and many vice admirals were needed to get Whitebeard on the verge of death, so Blackbeard and his crew did the rest. And still he died standing. That is the ultimate proof of Whitebeard being not overhyped at all. None of the other characters participating in that battle were attacked that much. None of them took that many hits. And none of them kept standing, kept moving forward, and kept dealing massive blows to enemies.
No one besides you says that Whitebeard would have needed to get all alone to Marineford, rescue Ace all alone and make it out unharmed and alive to do "his hype" justice. That base of argumentation is simply irrealistic and ridiculous as it ignores how Oda built the characters and the whole second part of One Piece.
Teamwork is no sign of a character's weakness. Going by that would mean that the admirals all together are overhyped and weak as none of them took any character down all alone. Sakazuki didn't even kill Ace all alone as he actually attacked Luffy and Ace blocked his attack with his body thus willingly took the blow. So Sakazuki is overhyped by your argumentation.
That other characters were not killed is no sign of Whitebeard being overhyped or not the strongest of all. If the admirals were strong enough to kill Whitebeard on their own, there wouldn't be a need at all to lure him to Marineford which was prepared for his attack. They would have openly attacked him.
You said "shichibukai level" - out of ignorance as you admit now as such a level did never exist.
And now you're trying to talk yourself out of it - which doesn't work at all.
And it was you who brought up Ace...
"Destroying the world" simply can also mean that Whitebeard simply had to attack Mariejois with it.
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In One Piece, its a fact that it the power accessed from the DF is 100% on the user that eats the fruit.
The fact that BlackBeard cowered back after Shanks challenged him and his new crew to a fight, is a sign that BlackBeard couldn't achieve the power that WB had.
It would take years of training for BlackBeard to do so.
this is all I have to say:
This is a pretty silly thread. "Whitebeard isn't that strong" is an absolutely ridiculous thing to say. He's been called the strongest man in the world constantly, he was still one of the strongest characters we've ever seen (maybe even THE strongest) in the series even at age 72 and horribly sick. Your main point against him seems to be that he's not impervious to wounds or that he could be taken down by sneak attack, but so what? Who the hell is? Of course ANYONE can be taken down if taken down by a massive sneak attack by another incredibly strong person - but WB did take those kinds of hits and kept going and destroyed half of Marineford. Shanks lost his arm to a sea monster saving Luffy, does that make him weak or "not that strong"?
The fact that he almost destroyed the whole Marineford is already a testament of how strong he was. He did that to the place while the whole marines are defending it. In less than a day.
Akainu and Aokiji fought for days on an island, they fought with all they've got but didn't completely destroy the island. What do you think would have happened if WB was there also fighting with all he's got?
You can't "completely destroy" an insland with ice or magma, the best you can do is entirely cover it, which they kinda of did.
This is a silly thread
Whitebeard was the strongest, no one fought as many big shots as Whitebeard did at the war, he beat 2 giants, faced all 3 admirals, and the former shichibukai Black Beard.
Black Beard managed to pull off Whitebeards abilities because he'd already seen Whitebeards abilities so he copied the stances, but he had very little control compared to Whitebeard who constantly had to pull punches for his allies. Also note that Black Beard was threatening Archipelago soon as he stole Whitebeards abilities, while Whitebeard never got Archipelago involved with the same moves earlier. There may also be other rules as to how well Blackbeard gains mastery over others fruit abilities.
Whitebeard took far more damage than anyone else in that war, yet still stood his ground, all the damage the other characters took to take them down in comparison is nothing. Akainu comes second because he took the most attacks from Whitebeard. Also keep in mind the Admirals were ALL Logia fruits users, which let them pass through so many attacks and dish out so much damage while Whitebeard had to take all attacks and yet he still dished back, no one could with stand as much focus as Whitebeard took and survive.
That's why Whitebeard was known as the strongest man in the world at the time, he was out numbered by enemies but his strength alone was considered enough to win against the marines.
He never truly got thrashed by anyone 1 on 1.
Ace tried over 100 times to kill Whitebeard and failed back when Whitebeard seemed healthier.
Crocodile claimed he was a lot stronger when they fought too.
Truly the biggest reason he lost and died was because his health was failing with old age by the time this war happened, he wasn't at his peak fighting strength when he was forced into the war against the marines, but he still fought better than anyone else did in that war.
So don't belittle him. Or Ace's ghost will come and flame kick your ass! ;D