i agree with the verdict
i disagree with the verdict
either i am split or i dont feel i know what really happened
i dont care
Same affair, different view: http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/83438026/
I don't know how reliable is that video (they are going way too far for me ...) ...
Media sure is good at manipulating people ... be it one way or the other
Last edited by zelllogan; August 07, 2013 at 09:43 AM.
I was going to pick apart several posts but there's just so much wrong in this thread I don't know where to start. So I'm going to quote John Oliver who summed up the true tragedy here.
An Adult shot a boy. That is the real problem here.
Trayvon case, itself, is boring. What interesting is how the police handle it and the people reaction afterward. As an immigrant to this country, sometimes, I fell into thinking racism doesn't really happen all that much. And then cases like this happen, and people showed their true colors.
The right wings said the liberal media misinform the people. But look at where their rhetoric led them. They excited a significant population with racial motivations. From the getgo, Trayvon is a thug and deserve to die. Zimmerman is held as hero of the people (at best he is just a person who commit a fethal mistake that wasn't out of intentionally malice), It is just so fuck up.
Also, maybe it isn't the gun fault. It is the American people's fault, irresponsible as fuck. Unlimited Unregulated gun right = freedom?? Well look at the Philippine and you learn a thing or two when you are going down that path. I would encourage this sort of behavior if you live in the land of Drug Cartel Mexico (with absolute gun ban). But hell, you live in Florida. By that I meant, guns maybe necessary. But people's attitude about guns must be change. Some of these laws must be change too.
Last edited by weixiaobao; August 24, 2013 at 10:29 AM.
Is violent a reality within the black community? Sure. And that does change the perception of society viewing upon blacks. The reason for these violent can be complex. But justly or unjustly, the fact is that police would treat Trayvon much different than that of Zimmerman.
Secondly, the law aside (since controversial laws are constantly in debate and can be change), isn't that imply the guy with the gun has more right than the guy without. Since it is legal for either of them kill another once the fight started. Wouldn't the guy with the gun has more chance to come out alive?? Where is the right of the guy without the gun??
I don't think the law really defends the guy with the gun more. Stand your ground is supposed to be about lethal force being acceptable in a situation where you feel threatened. I don't think it deals with the fairness of the situation either...
Like I said, I am arguing about the philosophy of it and not the law itself. Because, if we are talking about the law, people will act at the moment on their feeling of "being threaten" even if it is or it isn't rational and or actually fit into Stand your ground. That meant the other person will ended up dead (one of the worst sentence).Quote:
The law, itself, is flaw because it encourage actions. And people are idiot. They would do dumb stuffs even if they can or cannot get away with it. I cited one of the case on the below thread, where a guy shoot another guy over loud music and cited stand your ground. The issue isn't about whether he will or will not get away with it, the issue is that he think he can get away with it. Once in a while, there are cases about people shooting each others for the most trivia things and citing stand your ground because they think they can get away with it. I know I am being redundant, but I will recite once more. Personally if I am caught in such a conflict, I don't care if my murderer will or will not get away with it, I am rather that I don't die.
I didn't bother digging the facts because what interested me was the whole media circus, not the case. Though I don't see the difference between 17 and 20 in this case, and neither would most blacks, Trayvon wasn't a child for god's sake, and he didn't look like one in the 'No Limits Nigga' picture.
Never let facts get in the way of a good opinion. Couldn't agree more
Of course Trayvon wasn't a child. Does the media care? No. Many either painted him as an innocent child killed by Zimmerman due to bad reporting or bias to sell more papers, or many painted him as a bad person and made Zimmerman look like a hero or an innocent person. Why? It's all about profits. It's not shocking media isn't entirely honest.