- Shunsui :
The theme seems to be a duality between childish, nice guy behaviour (his usual apparent personality, and the first half of the release chant : "the petal storm swirls, the flower god sings") and a darker side (his ruthlessness in combat, the second part of the release chant : "the dark storm rages, the sky demon smirks" - which by the way is officially the most badass chant of all Bleach). Also Ukitake said that his bankai is something that shouldn't be used when so many people are around. That could be meant either that it has a risk of friendly fire, or that it has "tricks" that shouldn't be revealed unless absolutely necessary.
So my guess is this : in his bankai, there are two main modes : "god flower" and "sky demon". By default he is in "god flower" mode, with petty tricks and mainly defensive/immobilization techniques (I'm thinking flower clones, blinding your opponent...). After a while, or specific requirement are met, he gains the possibility of switching to murderous "sky demon" mode, and then unlocks a very destructive technique.
- Ukitake :
His theme is sea and lightning, if his release chant is any indication : "All the waves are my shield, the thunder is my sword". It's easier to make a guess : his abilities are divided among defensive and water-based (bam, you're in whirlpool and can't move, this type of thing) and offensive and lightning-based (not very original). I'm thinking the synergy between him and Shunsui, mentionned by Yamamoto, might be because his powers are reliable and complete, and he can support effectively Shunsui until his more capricious zanpakuto decides to get useful...
- Isshin :
We know his powers are fire-based, and his bankai is a burden on his body. We also know he can apparently use his blood to breath fire in shikai... And he has a version of Getsuga Tenshou which appear to be fire rather than a slash of pure reiatsu.
Given what we have seen of Old Man Genocide's bankai, it's hard to come up with an idea for a fire type zanpakuto which does not scream "sorry I'm not awesome as Zanko no Tachi". Especially since it was so polyvalent. So I've got nothing more than he kind of burns up his blood to raise his power, kind of like Keikoku in Samurai Deeper Kyo (sorry about the aweful reference). That, and he can shoot fireballs.
What are your thoughts ?
My 1st thought is. we dont know Isshin's Zan is fire based all we know is he said burn thats it.......
And do you know, that release command is connected to Zanpakuto's ability? "All things in the universe, turn to ashes"- Ryujin jakka. "Crush"- Gegetsuburi. "Scatter"- Senbonzakura Kageyoshi. "Extend"- Hozukimaru. "Reign over the frosted heavens"- Hyorinmaru. "Shoot" Shinsou. "Dance" Sode No Shirayuki. "Sting all enemies to death"- Suzumebachi.
By the way, Isshin must be amazing. He can make his zanpakuto literally burn, but without flames. And the whooole blade is covered with... something, those are not flames, right? The blade is in the center, so it is a blade, that burns. But there are no flames, nope. And it's not flame, that burns White's arm next to Masaki. It's not flame, that makes smoke. It's... something else. And I hope you can say WHAT it is.
Oh, and yeah, it IS reiatsu. Yamaji's reiatsu was taking form of a flame, so is Isshin's. If you want to tell me, that reiatsu can burn on Hollow's arm as in one panel I showed, I'd be grateful. You know what is difference between flame and reiatsu? Flames is always shown to float freely, changing direction. If you want to say Isshin's zanpakuto isn't fire based, then prove it, show some panels, where it CAN'T be fire.
Last edited by Duniak; July 16, 2013 at 08:39 PM.
you should really face/palm repeatedly until some sense is knocked in there.
PS, just tryn' to be funny, don't mean to insult you.
As for Isshin. When we were told it's a hindrance on his body I imagined something similar to Ikakku's bankai but fire-y. However glougloubarbak's definition of it seems pretty interesting.
Last edited by Jabman; July 16, 2013 at 09:13 PM.
LMAO, i'll say it again NOT 1 single confirmation, The only page you have shown there, that could be fire is the one with Isshin is spitting his blood out, and even that has nothing to do with his Zan. The rest can quite as easily be Reishi and until we fully see Isshin in action (bankai and all) no one can truly confirm that his Zan is fire based.
You ignored the part about release command, as you couldn't possible counter that. You ignored the part about White's arm being burned and creating smoke. You said Isshin's attack could be flames. That's funny. You know why? Becase "flame" there looks exactly like in FKKT and in every other panel. If Zanpakuto's attack is shooting huge flames using his blood, with Zanpakuto being in a center of a technique then ZANPAKUTO IS FIRE-BASED. And you really think, that Isshin is such a noob, that he has REISHI surrounding his blade all the time? Talk about shitty reiatsu control... You're basically saying, that his blade is burning with reishi, right? xD You're funny, I gotta tell you that. Ignorant, but funny. His sword is burning. But not with flames. With reishi, that can't burn, just exist. It even burned some shit that was flying over Isshin's sword. Reishi burned it, right?
Unless Aizen shouts "OMFG THOSE ARE NICE FLAMES" you won't admit being wrong. Kubo really tries to show how flame is different than reiatsu, but people like you prefer to ignore it. Or rather, you prefer to be in denial and say, that panels that I base my point on are not enough. But you can't counter that, you can't prove me wrong, you started the topic, I showed you panels. Damn, that's the moment where Buzz should come in.
One more thing. About that "technique" you considered fire-based. (But no, Zanpakuto isn't clad in fire, right?). I think I have to tell you how this technique works.
1. Isshin has to take some of his blood.
2. He licks it.
3. He puts his sword (burning) in front of him, horizontally.
4. He spits his blood ON a sword.
5. His blood catches on fire.
6. Technique is being fired.
So by saying, that it could be FIRE, you proved me right in every panel and made your point completely wrong. By the way, Shinigami's blood contain their reiatsu, as every part of his spiritual body. So if blood can become fire, then reiatsu in that blood can become fire. So yup, Engetsu is fire-based. I guess the only purpose of that technique is too utilize reiatsu that is being spilled. Putting sheer reiatsu on a blade, that is burning makes it catch fire, thus strengthening technique with reiatsu from blood.
If you want to discuss it further, show some panels. I won't answer your "That may be reishi" comments. Everything is reishi. Noone said those are NOT reishi. But that reishi manifests itself as flame.
Last edited by Duniak; July 16, 2013 at 10:46 PM.
I think Isshin's bankai has something to do with his blood, which is why he can't use it when he is heavily bleeding.
If Isshin has the same 'flame-cloak' ability like Yama then it would work the same.
I was under the same assumption as Jaymizzo, and its a valid assume to.
Yup, so he used unknown Kido, which name he didn't mention and used his blood, because he wasn't skilled enough to with sheer reiatsu? Not mentioning the fact, that we've never seen Kido that is fire-based. Hell, I don't think we saw Kido being elemental-based. (We did saw something like a lightning, which is highly condensed reiatsu, I don't think it's actual lightning) Kido is just REIATSU. But lookie there, you've just found first one! And who used it? Isshin, who showed us next to nothing in Kido. Urahara didn't use those. Tessai didn't. Hachigen didn't. Isshin did it.
Yup, that makes more sense then using fire-technique with a Zanpakuto, that is clad in fire and is burning, but it's not fire, that can make blood IGNITE while NOT being a flame. And much more sense than Isshin's zanpakuto being fire based, as it's burning, ignites things, burns things, looks like flame and it's release command, that suggests Shikai's ability is BURN, right?
Last edited by Duniak; July 19, 2013 at 11:17 PM.