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Welcome to the Semi Finals of championship fights of the second Bleach Tournament!
Here are the contestants who will battle against each other to advance to the next round in the championship bracket:
I give it to Kisuke. Shunsui's games are being used by both sides. Urahara is a genius, he would figure those games out in an instant. And I'm sure Urahara would make those abilities like his own. That's Shunsui's huge weakness. His abilities can be used against him. Which leaves Shunsui with playing his games, and Urahara with his Kido, Benihime's abilities AND Kyoraku's abilities. Reiatsu handcuffs that everyone complains about aren't even needed there.
Last edited by Duniak; August 05, 2013 at 07:46 AM.
I cheer urahara on too, he is too smart not to realize how his shikai works, whereas bankai are not included in this fights,as we haven't seen them yet. Urahara's intelligence and Kido should be enough,imo...
This is an interesting match-up, and I could see it going either way. Both are quite intelligent fighters with a few bad habits, and a tendency to make things interesting from a battle perspective. And we haven't seen either of their bankais, interestingly enough. I think there is a tendency to underestimate the extent of Shunsui's shikai abilities and his games. Urahara is undoubtedly intelligent enough to figure the games out, but that doesn't discount the initial advantage of the rules. And one cannot forget Shunsui's shikai is equipped with other abilities that can be quite useful, Shunsui's use of shadows during Kageoni is quite problematic. Urahara's shikai is versatile and powerful, but it's also quite simple to understand and manage for someone of Shunsui's level. So for their respective Shikai abilities, I give Shunsui the advantage. In terms of Kido, Urahara has obviously shown far more than Shunsui. However, I can't imagine much of Urahara's kido being particularly useful against Shunsui, although it is an advantage of sorts. In terms of speed, I tend to favour Shunsui slightly, while strength and endurance go to Shunsui by a respectable margin, as does zanjutsu. Sheer intellect goes to Urahara obviously, which is particularly useful against Shunsui's games, although Shunsui isn't a slouch by any stretch of the imagination on this front. After this long walkthrough, I find myself favouring Shunsui, mainly as a result of his perceived superiority in terms of physical ability, the advantages granted to him by his shikai, and his experience. However, with Urahara's intellect and versatility, he is a threat to anyone.
1. Avoid casting shadows near him, which would render ability useless. Then use other techniques of his while playing Kyoraku's games.
2. Use it to his advantage. Knowing he uses shadows can make Kyoraku predictable. Lure him with casting shadow, when he uses Kageoni, bind him/cut him/blow him/whatever. Instead of disabling that ability he can use it to his advantage, as he would know when he is casting shadow and when Kyoraku can attack. It's an easy counter for Urahara then.
I think this fight will be decided by one attack - it's not like a Kenpachi battle of Endurance, these guy hit hard and fast. With that taken into account, I have to give it to Urahara for one simple reason - his portable Gigai. As has been stated, Shunsui's games hold an advantage when first used, and with the Gigai he can negate that to figure it out. Let Shunsui hit the gigai then bind him with Benihime.
My two favourite characters, but I'm leaning towards Urahara
I give it to Kyoraku. Sure, Urahara is powerful, cunning and dangerous, but so is Kyoraku. And he has something Urahara doesn't: many more centuries of training and experience. I'd consider them equal if it wasn't for this small advantage.
That's a tough one, the fight can go either way, I see those two on equal footing. They are both careful and analytical, they observe their opponents' moves before they take the offensive. IMHO Shunsui is more experienced, better at swordsmanship and has a harder-to-deal with shikai which can end the fight before his opponent can figure out what's going on. Urahara is more intelligent, better at kido and has a versatile shikai, and devices and techniques that can be fatal at the slightest opening. It's anybody's guess, IMHO either of these guys can win in any given day. I don't think any of these guys will blindly attack the other, so the battle will ultimately be decided by endurance and combat abilities. I slightly lean toward Shunsui because I've seen more of him in serious battles.
The only technique capable of one-shoting is Kageoni. But it's not like he magically teleports and instantly attacks. He comes out of the shadow. I don't think he ever used it in actual fight. He used it when opponent was distracted and fought someone else (other captains/Love and Rose). He doesn't create copy of himself, right? So he has to disappear in that instant and appear in the shadow. Which takes some small amount of time, which means Urahara HAS time to react. It's not like Urahara is pierced before he knows it. If Shunsui'd disappeared in front of Urahara's eyes, you think Urahara wouldn't be cautious enough to avoid being one-shoted?
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Urahara is one of the most perceptive characters in Bleach, if not ranked first in that sense already. It definitely helps to be perceptive against Kyouraku's versatile and difficult to counter Shikai.
Well, Urahara's Shikai is also versatile. If I had a chance to, I'd probably say this is due a stalemate in the end. If I have to call it one way, I'll go with Kyouraku, since Urahara has barely fought all-in, except against Aizen, which was entirely a mere distraction itself.
He can only use his gigai once, and Shunsui has more than one game. Not only that, but Urahara would have to know when to use his gigai, for it to be of any use. Aizen did tank Urahara's shikai ability. And considering how Shunsui wiped off Starrk's cero as nothing much, I'd say he's pretty capable of tanking attacks when necessary. And yes Shunsui is most definitely stronger than an unreleased Yammy, who was as pointed out, the weakest of the Espada.Quote:
Urahara's good, he isn't prescient. The reality is that Shunsui is going to start off with the advantage in the games.Quote:
Hakuteiken has already responded to this, and I couldn't put it better myself, so:Quote:
Yeah, I forgot that panel. It most likely creates a portal. Which doesn't make it less easy to predict once figured out. It's the only ability that is a threat at the beggining. But it's not lke Urahara, who is highly observant wouldn't notice Shunsui stabbing his shadow.Quote:
@Edit. Also, if it IS a portal, that means it can be accessed from both sides, which is the next technique that can backfire against Urahara.
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Yes, he went from 10 to 0 after his release. It doesn't change that he was 10 during the moments you reference; his rank was the lowest of the Espada. Ulquiorra showed the difference between their two unreleased forms. Unreleased Yammy wasn't a particular threat.Quote:
Except he wasn't Cero at the time, he bore the number 10, indicative of his abilities in that form. Once again, portable gigai can only be used effectively once, and Urahara isn't going to be able to predict the moment to use it. Shunsui has multiple games. The games aren't advantageous to Shunsui once his opponent understands the rules, but prior to that he holds an obvious advantage. That's clear. You seem to be unable to grasp this.Quote:
If Urahara is unaware of the ability, he is at a disadvantage. And even when he becomes aware of it, Shunsui's experience is likely to maintain an advantage with this.Quote:
Yes, the gigai can only be used once.
But you keep maintaining that Kageoni is the biggest threat, and while Urahara might not know when to use it the spinning top does nothing, the higher game did nothing, and after that the next game is Kageoni.
In a straight-up fight I'd say Shunsui is stronger and has more endurance, but Urahara - even moreso than Shunsui - is the sort of fighter who creates one opening then crushes his opponent.
As soon as the shadow game begins, Urahara can use his Gigai. This leaves Shunsui potentially open for either A) - A sword attaqck from the shadows
B) - Benihime to bind/explode
C) - A kido combination
or D) Reitsu cuffs
Depending on the distance difference.
Don't get me wrong, I do think Shunui one of the strongest characters in Bleach, but Urahara has the power and skill to do serious damage with very few attacks, and the intelligence to get his opening.