look at the damage a single Bijuu Blast would do. Look at how wide it's range is. It's literally larger then the battlefield they're currently fighting on.
The point of his plan wasn't to stop the blast, it was to slow it down enough for Kirabi to catch. It nearly worked, they simply weren't fully away of it's new power and couldn't slow it down enough. And I wasn't talking about that. I was talking about the fact that the Alliance appearing was what kept Naruto from being blasted into nothingness, and being pierced by spikes. So don't act as if them being there is useless.
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But naruto right now had sasuke and the hokages as his buddy to save to world. And naruto did really saved and protected them with all his might. He can't seriously attacked obito/juubi simply because he's damn so busy controlling his chakra cloak. What itachi said becomes useless the moment sasuke and the hokages arrived. Naruto didn't solely shoulder the entire burden at all. His father, his best friend and maybe his grandfather was there to help him.
And yeah, I fully understand that concept. If they fail the world will ends. But shouldn't they stop that way of thinking? Their back up or the hokages, and one of them was known as the GOD of ShiNOBi has came. That alone would ease their burden about the coming of an end. And the thing is, I do admired what the alliance did, fighting even though they know they can't win. Is no doubt an admirable act. But seeing the previous hokages, naruto and sasuke together with madara and the new powerful jinchuuriki, shouldn't they know that staying in that battlefield will make the world come to an end?
As you know, when obito was hit by naruto's sage mode rasengan, he's fully aware that he isn't an invincible. And if the alliance wasn't there, obito's focus shouldn't shift to the alliance. He was fighting tobirama, rikudou mode minato, rikduou mode naruto and EMS sasuke. That alone is enough for him to fight them seriously. In fact, for me, using his tree to throw 4 bijuudamas is some kind of diversion or to let minato, tobirama, sasuke and naruto's focus to shift to the alliance's well-beings instead of attacking obito. From the start, obito knew that one of their weakness are the alliance.
Kishi has made it a bad habit of dumbing down enemies so the protagonist (specifically Naruto) stand a chance. This is far from a new concept.
The thing that gets me though is people sit there and complain that Obito is garbage and that he cannot do things that he has clearly been stated to have the ability to do. I mean, I get that no one likes him, Rightfully so. However, I hate when people ignore things to blatantly bash him. like that whole Kakashi debacle. I mean seriously. Don't even get me started on Konan, I mean for Christ sake.
Does madara's metoer is enough for shikamaru to admit that staying in that battlefield is futile? Madara and obito's plan is to destroy everything, that's includes the alliance. While the hokages, sasuke and naruto was there to protect ''that'' everything, that includes the alliance. So what's the point of shikamaru's plan whereas he already seen what the hokages, sasuke and naruto was capable of?
There's no other explanation but shikamaru was just carried away on what his father has Told him. The moment sasuke and the hokages arrived, shikamaru's brilliant isn't needed anymore. Well, technically and literally shikamaru is no doubt became useless, for now or maybe in this fight between the god type ninjas.
That's not accurate. When they created the Doton that slowed down the first Bijuudama, it allowed Minato to get there in time to teleport it away. If those Doton hadn't slowed the Bijuudama down atleast a little they all would've died.Originally Posted by marshall313
It's not nonsense, because there are still ninja on the battlefield that can aid in the battle. They can force Obito to use his Onmyouton orbs to negate all their jutsu from one side, while Naruto and the others attack his blindside with Hiraishin. Then they wouldn't even need natural energy since the Onmyouton wouldn't be an issue.Quote:
No, the reason the alliance are inside of that barrier is because Obito cast the barrier around them. You think if they stayed at a distance he wouldn't just shoot the rods farther and cast the barrier anyway? Stop trying to blame their situation on Shikamaru. They're close to death not because he lead them into a deathtrap. They're close to death because they're fighting an opponent who's simply too powerful.Quote:
How the hell far away do you think they could get, when Obito still has his Sharingan, and thus, likely still has Kamui? He can teleport anywhere they are! Not to mention we saw what happens when you try to keep your distance from the Juubi: you get nuked anyway. That's what happened to Shikakku.Quote:
Just admit you're angry that Shikamaru makes Naruto's greatest faults look worse than usual.
But anyway, I'm just blaming shikamaru, that's all. He knows they're useless and yet he just plainly said that maybe they can save the future. The sole reason why the alliance was trapped in that barrier in the first place is because of shikamaru. That's all I'm saying.
Just look what happened, obito learned that the senjutsu can harm. And what did he do? He just summoned a tree that can capable to shoot a bijuudama to divert tobirama, minato, sasuke and naruto's attention. So instead they're in atacking mode to obito, they are now on protecting mode to the alliance. And who's fault is that? Shikamaru of course.
Simply, it's bad writing on Kishi's part. His lack of creativity and use of things like Edo Tensei and the Rinnegan put him in a hole plot wise, thus he was forced to dumb down his own villains so his heroes have a chance.
Realistically their situation is helpless. If we go by the laws of the manga, and the sheer fact that Obito and Madara are now the two storngest ninja ever, there is no reasonable way the alliance could win. The fact that Naruto's been allowed to recharge so easily, and that Madara is more concerned with fighting an already dead Hashirama than completing his life's work is nothing but shitting writing. Kishi has ceased being a good story teller around the time of the Pain Invasion Arc.
People look to bash characters because they can't come to terms with the fact that his manga is a mere shade of what it used to be, and it's fallen so far it's not even funny. Frankly, I only read it now to see what happens and because it's become a habit. I am no longer moved by this manga, and hardly enjoy it like I once did.
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Anyway, they aren't trying to stop the Bijudamas to protect the alliance but to protect themselves. If the Bijudama has the same properties now as the Ords Obito is using then even the Edo's will die. Along with Naruto and Sasuke. They aren't looking to protect the alliance, because frankly all of them are expendable. But without them, the world is doomed.
This isn't rocket science. They have to kill Obito. They can't do that if they are all dead.
What I'm pointing out is his plan on staying in the battlefield knowing they're useless. After seeing that madara was fighting hashirama and obito with tobirama, minato, sasuke and naruto, what's the point on staying within their range? I've never said that the alliance should pack up their things and get home, my point is, why the heck shikamaru wants the alliance to stay still knowing what madara, obito and hashirama's are capable of? Their jutsu are capable to killed anyone in an instant.
Well, to make my story short, i hate the idea about shikamaru as a PERFECt candidate for the hokage. But at the same time, i don't really care if naruto or sasuke will be the hokage. And for what shikamaru did in this war, he's far from being a worthy candidate of the hokages sit. Shikamaru doesn't deserves on his praised. And in this battle between the senju and uchiha, shikamaru is no doubt a useless strategist in the alliance.
,I think you are asking stupidity from Kishi’s part. Saying they should stay out of the range is just like saying they should pack things up because they’re done. Stay out of range then what?. That means for various chapters we will then be seeing only the Naruto team and that this whole show of helping each other turns into acid. And don’t forget that even the HQ team is out of the so-called range, they were still fucked up.
,We go with ‘Will of Fire’ right?. Which definitely is the exact opposite of what you want Shikamaru or the Alliance to do. .QUIT AND DO NOTHING.
,And Shikamaru is not the sole reason why Juubito made the Six Flaming Barrier and thus the alliance was trapped.Hashirama’s statement PLAN compelled him to do it.
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oh, and about Hashirama's statement, he said that because they were already gathered there.