Umm, also note, that Law is perfectly happy to let people beat him up without revealing his true capacity. DD didn't know about Law's true capacity, and Law isn't the type to show his trump card all of the time.
Guess what, if Vergo were to tank Law's final cut 100 times. He failed 100 times. The only thing he should do is not stupidly tank the attack but blitz Law or do something else. Base on DD's comment, we at least can assume, Vergo can tank Law's shamble preskipped.
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I put in relevant name, you threw out Sabo, Sabo?? yeah, insert your troll face since it quite appropriate.
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If said Smoker vs Kuro, well Smoker win 100% of the time, it isn't even a debate. Did I said like 85% or 67% or whatever, that is making up statistic. The 100%, in case you obviously don't understand meant there is no way Vergo win under normal circumstances.
I am putting Vergo in same league as lets say first 4 Whitebeard commanders. Is it such a crime to put New World Marine Base Commander in similar place on "combat power scale" as ONE of top pirates from Whitebeard crew?
Discussing with you two is waste of precious time. So im ok with whatever any of you will reply.. Cheers.
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Yes. It's an unimaginable crime to put a Vice-Admiral with weak feats in the same place as high ranking commander in the Mightiest Pirate Crew in the World with amazing feats. Especially on "combat power scale."
Well, might as well use that precious time to read more about this manga so that you don't go assuming absurd things.
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I know right. Thank you for your apology for wasting my time.
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As far as Vergo vs Jozu go, the only strong argument is that depend on what Jozu we are talking about. If Jozu (preskipped) after he lost his one arm, then Vergo may have a chance. But after 2 years timeskipped, he may have an artificial arm or train himself to overcompensate this disability.
Also stop being so dramatic toward me, I understand perfectly what you are saying. But it seemed that you don't understand what I am saying, I never comment on the difficulty of the fight. I am commenting on the outcome of the fight. I am not saying Jozu beat Vergo at high, low, or mid difficulty. Because I don't know, but you seemed certain on that it is high difficulty. I never argue against that but however high difficulty does imply that they are on relatively the same power level and or Vergo's ability is a good match up for Jozu (like Luffy vs Enel). I am saying Jozu at Marineford with both arms will win against Vergo about 100% of the time under normal circumstances.
The match maybe closer, if Vergo's bamboo is make out of a mixture of wapol metal and seastone, plus if they are fighting in a small arena surrounded by water. Then sure, Vergo may have some strategy to beat Jozu and it will come down on execution.
I don't see how Vergo could win this. Jozu is on another level entirely. I can't imagine anything Vergo does would be able to break Jozu's defence, and we've already seen Jozu's overwhelming strength.
One is capable to go toe-to-toe with admirals, the other is a strong subordinate of one of the strongest shichibukai, who despite all that shat his pants over the thought of getting in trouble with a Yonkou crew.
Jozu wins, Vergo keeps adding dirt to his face.
To even think that Vergo, who was beaten by Law and had traded some good punches with Smoker, who was smoked by Doflamingo later on, could have any chance against someone from the top 3 of a Yonkou seems like a fantasy from a twilight zone to me.
Longer than someone who hasn't fully mastered CoA yet obviously. :P
A couple minutes at most, on a bad day Imo. The time they fought in PH was limited already, so those fights must have happened quiet fast, Jozu would have taken care of Vergo with a couple devastating hits probably.
Are people also counting the fact that Jozu only has ONE arm now?
I believe Jozu would beat a VA without question too though. But the loss of an arm might be a big factor.
They aren't equal but they're at the same level is basically what you're saying?
Either way that's a bit off.
One guy is someone who people debate on whether or not he is truly a tier above Sanji.
The other guy is the man that shat on what people were calling the "The Worlds Strongest Slash".
In case you forgot, Marco kicked Kizaru and sent him flying at the start of the war. Jozu also made Aokiji bleed when he punched him.
I'd say that Marco/Jozu/Vista are pretty close to Admiral level.
Marco/Jozu never had their lives in danger against the Admirals at all. They were giving them a serious fight.
But there isn't a chance in hell I'd say Vergo is close to Admiral level.
I agree that the gap between Jozu and Vergo isn't as big as people are saying on here, but they aren't in the same league.
Vergo is the SUBORDINATE of Dofla. Jozu is somebody who isn't even slightly scared of Doflamingo.
I think that's sort of evidence in itself.
Similar, but still worlds apart.+
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comparing jozu with aokiji is like comparing chinjao with luffy. They traded a few blows, chinjao is no "one hit ko" opponent - like jozu. But in my opionion they are still on a completly different levl. If anyone of the Wb commanders is on alevl with the admirals, i would say it is Marco. If they were, they could have defended the territory of their old men against Blackbeard (the same Black beard that ran away when aikanu came after him - aikanu is one admiral and he seems to be slightly stronger than aokiji - so if jozu is nearly aokiji levl and Marco nearly kuzan or aikanu levl it would have taken quite some time to conquer their territory - exept for the levl 6 prisoners BB crew was no match for ace pre timescip).
Well, Marco, Jozu, and the rest kinda just lost their Captain so, they were pretty much in disarray. Nevermind the fact that all of their territories were under attack by a number of pirates across the New World as soon as Whitebeard's death was confirmed, so their power probably dropped dramatically. If they did ever recover, it would have been to late since BB had more man-power and knowledge of their territories.
OT: I would also go with Jozu for the same reason many have stated here. Vergo may be tough and awesome as hell, but Jozu should be on another level.
I don't think that he is on a complete other levl but i do believe that jozu is stronger (it's all just speculation though)
I am of the school of thought that jozu would utterly, easily and conclusively stomp vergo. jozu is arguably one of those out there capable of fighting evenly with admirals. As strong as vergo is and even perhaps being the most skilled haki user we have seen so far he was far less than impressive in the grand scheme of things. He had trouble with an injured sanji and sanji did not even properly hold his ground against doflamingo (someone also arguably capable of fighting admirals). And against doflamingo sanji was at 100% to boot, its not like he had previous injuries or anything. Vergo was without a doubt a man of skill however he never really displayed the sort of power that would compete with what we know of jozu. Heck, even the full body armor haki would not really be all to significant here. Jozu has a naturally strong body thanks to his fruit and is obviously a potent haki user.... Its just a bad matchup for vergo on all accounts.