The whole "talk no jutsu" plot device is what ruined this manga. It worked well when Naruto was using it on kids, when he was using it on people that he had deep connections too, on people that he could prove wrong with logic, not by simply screaming "I'm right and your wrong" and then going on to overpower them.
The entire scenario with Pain was awesome up until the point Nagato decided to do a complete 180 because of what Naruto said. It was completely unbelievable that a man as determined as Nagato would change because Naruto simply held up a book and said some hollow words.
And let's not even get started on Naruto's characterization. One minute he's a complete and utter moron, the next he's doing things that no other human being as ever done. The scene where he had a panic attack over Sasuke was nauseating.
You then have all of the villains having plot induced stupidity just so our heroes can win without actually using their intelligence. Pain be gimped, Kakazu being gimped, Danzou acting like a moron, Madara not tearing everyone to pieces, etc etc.
O! and we still have Obito announcing his intentions for a war, said war only lasting a few days, Neji and Shikaku being the alliances biggest loss, and Madara acting like an utter fool.
Again, Obito is hardly the problem. His reveal could have worked well if it was written better, and yes while he is a terrible villain, this manga would have been salvageable if it wasn't just for him.
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As for anyone looking for anything worthwhile to talk about, I'm hoping there is some kind of Gaiden Arc after this mess. The only thing to look forward to besides that is Madara doing something crazy, and the final showdown between Naruto and Sasuke to see who can be King of the world.
Lol the one thing that gets this thread going gets deleted
The problem is that this isn't Crime and Punishment from Dostoyevsky. You're reading a Shounen story that is supposed to be dumbed down to a kid's mind from elementary school. The mere thought of your expectation of it to be presented as something more is baffling. I do agree with the points you say, but I didn't/don't expect them as you do.
Well, i'm meant no disrespect but users like @shafagh and @kid chameleon are really one of the reason why i felt bored on this naruto board. Their post are really something. and ridiculous. And can't help on getting annoyed. (nowonder my replies to their posts has been deleted by the mods) i know t'was their opinion, but their opinion are full of wanking to naruto........ and only to naruto.
"naruto is a moron and sasuke is a good husband" ---- can you believe this shit?
And i think the chapter was good, except for shikamaru who's been abusing ino's ability.
Just because it is for kids it doesn't need to be brainless pewpew. The art lies within making a complex theme or story easily understandable for everyone. And then there's also the fact the manga didn't always use to be like that. My pain tresshold for plot weakspots, illogical actions, asspulls and PIS is actually quite high... but in late Naruto there's just so much of this stuff it becomes borderline unbearable.
I don't know if anyone noticed or not, but Sarutobi and Orochimaru noticed something about the tree when Obito was going for the attack. So maybe Madara is already controlling the Juubi? Somehow?
Anyone saying this manga is for 'kids' clearly didn't read the chapter where Obito created a huge blood-corpse tree spiral. That was not a chapter for kids.
This story is a form of art, art is based on the artist the problem here is the audience fell so much in love with the art that they felt it should become a certain way, but the artist is still producing his masterpiece, sure some parts may not be as amazing as others but overall we've been happy with it.
My prediction is that Naruto will cause obitos will to falter long enough for madara to take over, because he doubts himself he no longer has the will to resist madara.
As a result sasuke and naruto will have to become the two sons of the sage coming together to fight the "sage" and show the love of both together is stronger than the power of 1