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Yeah, we can't really tell. He was already dominating Ichigo in his first form and all his second form did was...well, let him do more of the same. We don't really know how much his second form increased his ability. For all we know it could have just made him 1% stronger or as strong as Starrk.
Ulq 1st form >>>> Ichigo in his masked bankai mode.
Ulq 2nd form =
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Ulq 2nd form >>> Halibel, because I don't think that midget ice boy has any chance surviving Ulq 2.0
Anyway, that's just a long way of me saying I agree, with your second statement, but am unsure of the first.
obviously he was out of control but still insanely powerful
i believe ulquiorra in his final form could take any of the captains except maybe yamamoto
and i believe he could hang with aizen if not out right beat him
of course im a bit of an ulquiorra fan
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And what was Ulquiorra's ability before Ressurection? Wait, nothing? Barragan had Respira AND Ressurection, Hallibel shot energy waves AND Ressurection, Stark had Lilynette, thus the Cero Ressurection AND pack of wolves from his soul. Yammy could change his form after using Ressurection, stepping into higher level. Sounds like something like Segunda Etapa.
So, what did Ulquiorra have? Segunda Etapa?
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To put Hitsu >>> Ulq 2.0 is totally insane, you should know that Aizen didn't know Ulq can do the 2nd release, his rank (#4) was based only on his 1st release. I'm not saying Ulq 2 is stronger than Barragan or Stark but he can take #3 without any problem. Yammy was Kubo's miracle who got killed by Byakuya and Kenpachi, I'm sure these 2 can't do the same to Stark and Mr. Skull.
About your last question, Ulq 2 has extreme high speed & regeneration (he traded power for rapid regeneration), isn't it enough?
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which makes him stronger than any of the other espada
in fact i believe he could have easily taken gin or tosen
and given even the final form of aizen a good fight if not won
grimmjow was certainly strong, being the 5th ranked espada
and ulquiorra was ranked as the 4th
however aizen never knew about ulquiorras final form, and he was the only espada to reach that transformation
i dont see how anyone can assume he wouldnt be ranked ahead of one 0, 1, 2 or 3 with that form
however it does make for an interesting discussion, i would like to see a thread on it
lets break this down
PS. Nope, Byakuya and Kenpachi wouldn't scratch neither Barragan nor Stark. They could fight Yammy because he was pure brute force fighter with no ability of any sort.
Also, I think you guys are seriously overestimating that Segunda Etapa. Ichigo was being trashed when Ulquiorra was in first form, he was trashed when he went Segunda Etapa. For me the boost wasn't anything significant. And knowing other Espadas had ability and something like Segunda Etapa as well, I don't think it had any significance. They just didn't call it like that. Yammy's second transformation or Stark releasing his soul as a weapon (just like Bankai...) was normal for them. They could have said "SEGUNDA ETAPA", it wouldn't change anything.
Last edited by Duniak; October 30, 2013 at 03:55 PM.
Some typos from my part, but Aizen doesn't know everything, please don't overstate it. Ulq has rapid regeneration which heals him quickly, I believe Stark doesn't have this power that's why he fell quite fast after getting dirty stab by Shunsui. Nah, Stark releasing has the form of fusion and it's only in 1 stage similar to Byakuya's bankai which allows him to use that white emperor sword something.
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Well, the manga did go out of its way to insinuate segunda etapa was a more than considerable boost for ulquiorra.
In my eyes the scene is pretty explicit. As ishida and orihime were going up ulquiorra was in his resurreccion. Then the guy unleashed his segunda etapa and shit got real for them. Ulquiorra's transformation was significant enough for ishida to even doubt the thing was even reiatsu... No espada or fighter so far has ever given of such a reaction. Its not like ishida would react that way from mere captain level reiatsu either. The guy fought mayuri and tousen an was in SS when yamamoto, shunsui, ukitake, komamura, tousen, kenpachi, yoruichi and soifon were duking it out. He was in HM when several espada were fighting the captains. The guys is by no means unfamiliar with the amount of powers captains have and even then ulquiorra got that reaction out of him. More so, we know what ulquiorra looked like as a hollow. His hollow form is basically the same as his standard resurreccion. Segunda etapa has to be more than just a complete resurreccion or something of the sort because otherwise it would look like his resurreccion. His segunda etapa necessarily has to be more than his resurreccion because the appearance of hollow ulquiorra would otherwise match his segunda etapa. The fact that segunda etapa is so distinct from ulquorra's original hollow form suggests that it is well more than a mere resurreccion. Of course, the implication of an arrancar getting a bankai level boost on top of resurreccion is pretty damn scary. But then again it took a full hollow ichigo with bankai to beat the damn thing...
Not all of the fighters in S.S went Bankai at the same time, which is when the power growth in really noticed. We saw this with Zanka no Tachi not to long ago. And even then, when both Uryu and Orihime finally reached Ichigo's corpse and Ulquiorra, they were able to withstand the pressure. I'll agree that it is an evolution of his abilities. I don't think it was a Bankai level boost, as some resurreccion are already as strong as Bankai. I think it was just a specialization like Byakuya's Senkai. Besides, Uryu only mentioned the nature of the form's reiatsu, not the power, again, similar to how Zanka no Tachi was.
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I'm 90% sure RSE only exists because Kubo decided against the sun dress look Ulquiorra had going on in Primera Etapa...
But that aside, I don't know what to think about Ulquiorra's power in that form. True, Uryuu made a big deal about his reiatsu, but he seemed to be commenting on the 'blackness' of it more than the magnitude, which goes with Ulquiorra's status as the Espada of emptiness. It is hard to say where he goes in relation to the top 3. I'd say Baraggan is definitely more powerful. For an example, Ulquiorra speedblitzed Ichigo to a ridiculous degree even in R1 but Baraggan speedblitzed Sui Feng in base form, which is arguably an equally impressive feat. So I wouldn't put Ulq above Baraggan and therefore Starrk. In Harribel's case it's less obvious. Really her whole fight with Hitsugaya was a pretty awful way of showing off her skills, in fact it's about the only Bleach fight I really hate. But yeah, she was stronger than Hitsugaya in base, yet he seemed fast enough to keep her at a distance when she released. That doesn't make her weaker then Ulquiorra though, it could just be that he's faster than her.
It's hard to say. Especially since he was stomping Ichigo at all times, until Ichigo transformed and stomped him. It's tricky to gauge his power when the only times he's fought there's been a big gap between him and the enemy, so there's a pretty wide range to put him in. I'm kind of torn between thinking RSE put him above Harribel's resurrecion and thinking it was purely a different but equal form of his power.
He was distinctly more powerful than Halibel thanks to Segunda Etappa (based on the caliber of foes both characters fought. I know that's not how this stuff works but we don't have a lot else to go on) but I don't think he could've went toe-to-toe with released Barragan.