Please discuss how powerful these characters really would be.
Madara if he wasn't an Edo. Would he be capable of performing the feats he did if he didn't have unlimited Chakra?
Obito WITHOUT the fusion of the first Hokage cells. Would he be able to spam his space time jitsu as much as he does? As know, it is a sharingan technique that exhausts Kakashi (who gets more exhausted because he's not a Uchiha himself.
Itachi. How much more powerful would Itachi be if he wasn't sick? Would he perform like his Edo self? Or does the unlimited chakra as a Edo allow him to perform the way he does.
If you have anymore characters to add to the discussion, please feel free.
Who knows about Madara? He showed no signs of being tired, and he was able to fight for a whole day against Hashirama and other Senju. He most likely can do all the feats that he's shown, especially with Hashirama's DNA/chakra augmenting his own.
Tobi without the First Hokage's cells would be even more of a failure.
Itachi would likely be extremely powerful. Like, he'd be using less powers to push Sasuke to the edge and stand a better chance against Nagato. I think he'd be much better than his Edo self, and while not last as long, he'd last longer than he did against Sasuke. Precise chakra control, not spamming everything, and no wasted movements make Itachi a dangerous fighter and able to last longer than most of his more-chakra-capacity counterparts.
It would be hard to tell the difference if he wasn't an Edo but still had the Rinnegan. He already had a large amount of chakra even to begin with and he was almost/as strong as Hashirama.
Of course not. He definitely wouldn't be able to spam Kamui. Also, the cells probably allowed his eyesight to stay healthy because his MS wasn't eternal.
I think Edo Itachi would be even a bigger threat than Edo Madara, in general. That way, his only disadvantage would be removed since he's almost perfect in all other areas.
I think Madara wouldn't change much.
He's not likely to be able to spam it without Hashirama's cells.
I can't see why Itachi would be any different from his fight with Kabuto.
Nagato in full health and full mobility is likely invincible. He's been shown on a league of his own despite being nerfed to less than 30% of his power.
I dunno... but I suspect healthy Kimimaro should be extremely powerful given the fact he was moving on willpower alone with a broken body that wasn't even supposed being capable of movement.
Its a shame we only got a few useless panels of his Edo-Incarnation charging into combat... although considering how Mifune alone took care of Hanzo but the whole Samurai Army including Mifune was seemingly unable to take down Kimimaro & Chiyo I guess he did rather well...
Concerns about Madara. Is it possible he was able to fight against Hashirama for so long because he had the aid of the Fox? Or does controlling the fox do the opposite by exhausting chakra while under his control?
Nagato is someone I forgot to add. What would Nagato be like if his legs worked? More of a threat than a none sick Itachi? What if Itachi and Nagato fought at full health?
What about Yamato? I personally think that Yamato is highly over rated. I think ninja like kankaruo(spelling), darui, Dedaria, kakuza, and others would crush him.
In my opinion, Nagato compensated for his legs with the full field-view through the vision of his summons and it wasn't enough for Itachi to not neutralize it. It would be a close match definitely, but with Itachi's intellect and speed, he'd overcome his techniques. I think the only threat for him would be Shinra Tensei as he implied it in the conversation with Naruto. Also, Kabuto stated that he's on the level different than others so I guess that also says something about it, imo.
Basically Hashi is The strongest. And Madara follows second.
My favorite feat by Madara, just saying, is when he combined Susanoo with Kurama. It was just too epic
Madara would be almost the same except he wouldn't be spamming everything, would be more dangerous because then he would be forced to fight very seriously and cautiously.
Obito would be nothing cause he lost half of his body and wasn't exceptional in any field.
Itachi would be more powerful.
Madara would be equally powerful. Probably the most powerful ninja alive. I don't think hashirama can beat him now that he can throw comets to Earth.
Itachi would be even more powerful than now. He's probably the most talented Uchiha ever.
Obito wouldn't be the big thing, he isn't a big thing now, just a brat with a bunch of power given to him.
1. He has only one Mangekyou, so he can't unlock its full potential.
2. His Mokuton is weak. He can really only modify his own body or produce Spears, and can't really bind a Bijuu's power like Madara/Hashirama.
3. His Genjutsu is equal to Kakashi's, hence the stalemate in their Genjutsu 1v1.
4. This is speculation, but he probably CAN'T use most Rinnegan techniques for the same reason he lacks full use of MS: he doesn't have a complete pair of eyes. While he can use Gedo jutsu, he can't do everything.
5. He relies on Kamui spam (made possible by Senju physical energies) and basic taijutsu because that's really all he can reliably do. His Katon is strong, but it's just a katon, not Enton.
2, But it's pretty obvious hashirama's dna was able to boost his chakra capacity.
3. His 3 tomoes genjutsu was able to control the kyubi. That's something itachi can't do. And the fact that if obito can't do any shit to a powerful genjutsu like tsukuyomi, then itachi was able to defeat him from the start and not to rely on a fail-safe method just to kill him.
4. You're right. After all, he just had one pair of rinnegan.
5. His kamui alone made him a one hell of a ninja. What makes you think that obito was able to stand at the top of the akatsuki? because he had the power to trash them all.
You're underestimating obito far too much. Yea, he's an idiot, but you can't change the fact that even itachi labelled him a powerful ninja or someone who's above than him. Obito is a ninja that even itachi and nagato cant do any shit.
When did he say this? Link?Originally Posted by marshall313
You're likely just trying to make Obito look more impressive than he is because he's the only Uchiha that Uchiha fans can't stand. That, and because he acts like Naruto. THAT, and because the more impressive you make him look, the better Naruto looks for "defeating" (lmao) him.
As for the other characters:
Kimimaro: probably has the most to gain because his fighting style actually relies on the strength of his body. Taijutsu is physically demanding. He also had to produce those bones by expending chakra, and strengthen them with even more chakra, so his chakra reserves and brute power all have to be beastly. His illness is likely greater than what Itachi had because he's usually constantly bed-ridden and can't even walk.
Itachi: He's a different case altogether. He's not a taijutsu or ninjutsu specialist, but a Genjutsu one, meaning he doesn't need godly amounts of stamina to be effective. This is also why he can look so godly even in his weakened state, because his greatest strength doesn't even require he move a lot. Lastly, as far as we can tell he suffers no debilitating effects from his illness until after he's already expended a good deal of chakra, so we wouldn't see any distinct increase in speed from a healthy Itachi.
I think the Itachi we saw fight Sasuke is the exact strength level and speed level of a healthy Itachi. The only difference is that his speed and stamina wouldn't go down as quickly after using his strongest attacks only once. So potentially, he can maintain Susanoo longer, use more MS techniques before being spent, but can't run any faster or hit any harder.
Nagato: His hinderance is plot based because the Rinnegan is too powerful. His speed however isn't as dangerous as one might expect despite what he did to Bee and Naruto. That was a combination of shared sight and being boosted by the chakra he absorbed from Bee.