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    Re: Chapter 215's Nea ≠ 14th Noah Memory

    There are only 12 Noah, plus the Earl, 13. So from where did the 14th appear? I thought that the 14th and Nea were two different persons, it is logic, Nea would be the host and not the Noah himself, like all the others (The Musician (noah)//Nea (host), Joyd//Tiky, Raasura//Skinn.
    But it is not that way (I have to edite my last post)

    I think this goes like this: Mana, who is the host of the Earl, gave some powers to Nea (the purpose is about the 3rd side), making him a "Noah", well, the most powerful Noah. So... the "14th"

    The only problem is the special Noah's brown skin and the stigmatas, in the fight with Alma and Kanda when Allen got hit and Nea awake he has the brown skin, I dont know the stigmatas, and when in 214 Nea talks to Tim, he is showed, and he has the brown skin (and the stigmatas too?), and Neah has white skin
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    Re: Chapter 215's Nea ≠ 14th Noah Memory

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    The only problem is the special Noah's brown skin and the stigmatas, in the fight with Alma and Kanda when Allen got hit and Nea awake he has the brown skin, I dont know the stigmatas, and when in 214 Nea talks to Tim, he is showed, and he has the brown skin (and the stigmatas too?), and Neah has white skin
    It just hadn't appear yet. Still it's weird that Skin got the stigmatas first but since we're talking about the 14th Noah, let's say that he's an exception.
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    So from where did the 14th appear?
    The only thing we know that the war results his existence as a 'crevasse'.

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    Re: Chapter 215's Nea ≠ 14th Noah Memory

    Quote Originally Posted by non-chan View Post
    It just hadn't appear yet. Still it's weird that Skin got the stigmatas first but since we're talking about the 14th Noah, let's say that he's an exception.
    what do you mean that it just hadn't appear yet? It has appeared Allen and Nea with that skin, with the stigmatas we cant see, but anyway, the skin is there, and like I said, Nea is no a noah exactly, so, he cant has that special skin the stigmatas, but he has, that is the only problem

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    The only thing we know that the war results his existence as a 'crevasse'.
    Yes I know, it was a ironic question due to the possibility that Nea and the 14th are two different persons

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    Re: Chapter 215's Nea ≠ 14th Noah Memory

    I mean, other Noahs can have their stigmatas appear first, then the gray skin and Nea/Allen can have his stigmatas later after the skin.

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    Re: Chapter 215's Nea ≠ 14th Noah Memory

    Quote Originally Posted by JDSS View Post
    what do you mean that it just hadn't appear yet? It has appeared Allen and Nea with that skin, with the stigmatas we cant see, but anyway, the skin is there, and like I said, Nea is no a noah exactly, so, he cant has that special skin the stigmatas, but he has, that is the only problem
    For now I still think there were originally 14 Noah members. There used to be 14 Noahs and then when Neah became the host, he eventually betrayed the Earl and hence was banished from the Noah family, leaving 13 Noah (12 Noah and the Milennium Earl- who's seen as Noah number 1 if I'm not wrong) left (permanently for some reason).

    If only Nea's soul or being or memories whatever you call it were transferred and not the specific Noah genes were transported into Allen, it would make sense why Allen doesn't have the visible stigmata right?

    Given that past Allen even said that he would protect his memories no matter what, and the nature of that specific instance where a wounded Neah was slumped against the wall, I think it could be possible that Neah had recently lost something else important making past Allen somehow needing to reassure and rejuvenate Neah from that evident state of despair he seemed to be in. Perhaps that was Neah after he had been banished ?? If that's the case that would mean that the Noah of Destruction (the 14th memories) had officially become alienated from the entity of Noah memories (ranging from the Earl's memories to the 13th's memories)? That might explain why Neah was seen without the stigmata on his forehead right ( I dunno ). So we really haven't seen Neah with the stigmata yet have we?

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    Re: Chapter 215's Nea ≠ 14th Noah Memory

    #non-chan: Yes ok, anyway it doesnt mind if the brown skin is later or not than the stigmatas, it is just there, and like I said, that is the problem of my theory (Nea=14th and more, you can see it above), Nea has not to have that special skin or the stigmatas, but he has them... Maybe Mana put Nea that too, to get the Noah and Black Order confusing Nea with Tiky? ...It not sounds correct hah.


    #crownclown: No, there were only 12 noah, and plus the Earl, 13. Really, it is confirmed, read the manga or go to the encyclopedia that is more easy to find

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    Re: Chapter 215's Nea ≠ 14th Noah Memory

    Quote Originally Posted by JDSS View Post
    #non-chan: Yes ok, anyway it doesnt mind if the brown skin is later or not than the stigmatas, it is just there, and like I said, that is the problem of my theory (Nea=14th and more, you can see it above), Nea has not to have that special skin or the stigmatas, but he has them... Maybe Mana put Nea that too, to get the Noah and Black Order confusing Nea with Tiky? ...It not sounds correct hah.


    #crownclown: No, there were only 12 noah, and plus the Earl, 13. Really, it is confirmed, read the manga or go to the encyclopedia that is more easy to find
    Yes JDSS thanks Wisely explained that there only 13 Noah. Sorry for the mistake

    So basically how Neah came to become a family with the Noah is a mystery too huh?

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    Re: Chapter 215's Nea ≠ 14th Noah Memory

    Quote Originally Posted by Crown Clown View Post
    So basically how Neah came to become a family with the Noah is a mystery too huh?
    Look my post above 10 or 11 posts before this, the largest, that is my theory, but it has a problem, Nea has the brown skin and the stigmatas...
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    Re: Chapter 215's Nea ≠ 14th Noah Memory

    Quote Originally Posted by non-chan View Post
    I think back then, when Nea appeared in Allen's dream world and as his weird stalking shadow, he can't clearly see what Allen really looks like, he just know something like "Yeah, it's him. No mistake." It's not like we really know what Nea saw, what Allen looks like from his point of view when he used to be the stalking shadow.
    About this, now I begin to think it was Past!Allen's memory when he 1st met Nea, not really Allen met Nea in his dream world...

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    Re: Chapter 215's Nea ≠ 14th Noah Memory

    Quote Originally Posted by non-chan View Post
    About this, now I begin to think it was Past!Allen's memory when he 1st met Nea, not really Allen met Nea in his dream world...
    Excuse me, what moment when Allen dreamt with Nea are you referring?

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    Re: Chapter 215's Nea ≠ 14th Noah Memory

    ^ I believe non-chan means this part from the 198th Night (Vol 21).
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    I also have been thinking/theorizing (for these past few months) that this could be past!Allen's memory getting through. It kind of makes sense as to why this Nea acts very different with the current Nea in Allen's body.

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    Re: Chapter 215's Nea ≠ 14th Noah Memory

    So past!Allen was sealed off somewhere until Nea found him and he could see Noah's shadow? This raises even more questions and mysteries

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    Re: Chapter 215's Nea ≠ 14th Noah Memory

    #non-chan #tgirl

    But this has no sense I think...

    Nea says these things:


    ''Broken... The Earl has lost his mind. He has forgotten everything and became a doll of destruction''.


    This has sense. But the next statements...

    ''And Allen, you as well... ... You too have become (or became) a broken doll''.

    If this were the first meeting of PastAllen and Nea, this has no sense because Allen wouldn't have become a doll yet, Nea is talking in past time. Maybe PastAllen knew he was going to help Nea, because PastAllen likely was in the third side I think with many others... Summing up, what Nea says here is not like a first meeting...



    Then...

    ''I'm the Noah of destruction, the 14th. Neah.''

    This do has sense, he's introducing himself. But what about the before statements?



    And other thing, what do you mean the shadow? Nea was alive when he met PastAllen, he wasn't a shadow, maybe I missundertand you?

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    Re: Chapter 215's Nea ≠ 14th Noah Memory

    @JDSS:
    I'm pretty sure non-chan didn't mean 198 was the first time past!Allen met Nea (and it couldn't have been since past!Allen isn't around at the North American Branch with them), but the first time current Allen (aka "our Allen") saw Nea. This "meeting" we see in that dream world wasn't really between current Allen and Nea. It was a meeting between past!Allen and Nea, who already knew each other for a while. So current Allen might be seeing memories from the life of past!Allen.

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    Re: Chapter 215's Nea ≠ 14th Noah Memory

    Quote Originally Posted by kannazuki View Post
    @JDSS:
    I'm pretty sure non-chan didn't mean 198 was the first time past!Allen met Nea (and it couldn't have been since past!Allen isn't around at the North American Branch with them), but the first time current Allen (aka "our Allen") saw Nea. This "meeting" we see in that dream world wasn't really between current Allen and Nea. It was a meeting between past!Allen and Nea, who already knew each other for a while. So current Allen might be seeing memories from the life of past!Allen.
    ? That is what I said
    I dont see it like a no 1st meeting neither, because Nea introduces himself... Well... Maybe are statements shortly coming to Allen, anyway, the statement in past tense doesnt make sense to say it was all a conversation between PastAllen and Nea, and I dont understand what is wrong with the shadow

    I see all like Nea talking, not for first time (once in a dream of Allen too, the first time Nea appeared; and other in the 14th's room) to Allen

    And about the shadow, well it is just there, its the first time that Nea's full physic is revealed, maybe Hoshino draw it to put us more in Allen's mind and making us comparing
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