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The equivalent version is how many shinigami has powerful bankai that >>> FGT Ichigo/God Aizen? Now Ichigo with his fullest hybrid power + more training in the Royal Palace, is his bankai even more powerful than his FGT version?
Kubo also gave us some hint of Kenpachi new base power, so it's not unusual if his shikai is at least on the same level of Yamamoto's bankai. Also the hint of Byakuya internal power is even more fearsome than Renji + Rukia for sure. I'm afraid this is a crazy jump from Frieza -> Kid Buu with skipping Cell version in Bleach.
I don't think so. Yama, Aizen, maybe current Zaraki (I say maybe because it's not really clear exactly how much he grew in Muken), they are (or were) all well above Captain-class, to the point that they probably do need their own name at this point. But all that transcendent malarkey was some stupid tier above even them. And FGT was in some even stupider place above that. I mean, Aizen, who was already like the second most powerful Shinigami around, or in the top 7 if you count the RG, said that with the Hogyoku he became stronger than even he'd imagined. FGT was just incomprehensible. And I mean that literally, because ichigo being that powerful made no sense.
But anyway, transcendent power was some big anomaly imo. Right now we're back in the nice, safe zone of Captain-class and the guys who can stomp Captains - Yama, Yhwach, etc.
I don't think ichigo breaking the limit or becoming a transcendental was in itself because of FGT to be honest. Basically, that was not the breaking point so to speak. FGT was as far as the manga told us an ordinary zampakutp technique. Proof of that is the fact that the technique is also available to ishin. In context FGT is not different from the ordinary GT. It works differently but it is not different from other zampakuto techniques. Without a doubt FGT provides a power boost however the issue here is the fact that ichigo already had a transcendental power before he activated FGT.
So the situation is that ichigo had two things going on when he fought aizen. First is his access to his transcendental powers which are in the end independent of FGT. And then is the acquisition of his final zampakuto technique. Ichigo's transcendental powers are about the nature and power his reiatsu has, a reiatsu which transcends what ordinary shinigami and even a transcendental aizen can do. We even saw ichigo blowing off reiatsu based attacks with his bare hands well before the activation of FGT.
Now, we go to renji and the others. They did not get transcendental powers, they have ordinary shinigami reiatsu as far as the manga has bothered to tell us. The issue here is simply renji getting a more than overwhelming increase in reiatsu volume. We don't really have a reason to think even now they would hold a candle to transcendental ichigo or aizen, it might as well be conceptually impossible to oppose them in terms of reiatsu altogether for shinigami.
I dont think any of the shinigami are on that level
but i believe full hollow ichigo that defeated ulquiorra and could fire ceros was the strongest form of ichigo
Its hard to tell if that form would have beaten Aizen or the capt commander. Or even a Royal guard. But what i do know is that that was his hollow power on full open. And i do not believe that form is a combination with his shinigami power. Its most likely him on full hollow form/Vasto lord.
Ichigo's hollow form back when he fought ulquiorra had bankai though. More so, in ichigo's case it is white zangetsu that holds hollow and shinigami powers. Heck, ulquiorra even made the point that ichigo's GT was extremely similar to a cero. Ichigo drawing power from white zangetsu has the implication that he is drawing shinigami and hollow powers, those two are fused.
TS, FGT Ichigo and God Azien aren't remotely in the same tier.
FGT Ichigo is to God Aizen what God Aizen is to other Shinigamis. If God Aizen is a transcendental, then FGT would be that squared.
FGT Ichigo wasn't simply more powerful. Remember Aizen couldn't read FGT Ichigo's reiatsu at all, the same way others couldn't read Aizen once he became a beautiful butterfly.
None of the existing Gotei captains who fought base Aizen would be remotely comparable to FGT Ichigo, Yamamoto included. FGT Ichigo crushes God Aizen's attacks with his bare hand. Base Aizen cut through Yamamoto with zero difficulty. If Yama or any of the other captains had anywhere close to FGT Ichigo's powers, they'd have swatted base Aizen like a fly, easily.
Aizen's 1st level = Yamamoto's bankai, both compress their power such that outsiders can't feel anything, but not invincible because Gin almost erased him with ordinary bankai.
Aizen's 2nd level = retarded butterfly illusionist.
Aizen's 3rd level = a hybrid of ray + jellyfish hollow which fused with zan
Aizen failed to reach level 4th because Urahara's kidou sealed him.
Right now Renji still hasn't used his full shikai yet, I suspect that his bankai is barely below Aizen's 1st level, Kenpachi and Byakuya can reach above it and into Aizen's 2nd level. If Renji fought big dumb Yammy, he could actually have won with using his bankai.
From the info of current chapters, I think both Kenpacahi and Byakuya could have won against both Stark and Ulq from basing my personal observation of Renji abnormal powering up.
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^ Aizen doesn't compress his power. It's just so strong that anyone normal can't feel it anymore.
It seems that as long as Aizen is controlling Hougyoku, he'll be healed indefinitely (he didn't have a torso, then he was in two clean halves, and still healed). Gin tried to take it and almost succeeded - it's just that Aizen had a backup Hougyoku
Retarded butterfly illusionist? I only agree with the "butterfly" Arrogant rather than retarded, and he didn't do the illusion thingy since "1st level"...
Uhmm.. Can i ask, what is the nature of Zanpakutous???
Cause I thought that Ichigo became a Zanpakutou spirit (or something of that sort) that is why he became like another being which is different from a hollw a shinigami or whatever Aizen is.
In terms of power, it's really hard to judge until kubo shows us some background or speech pertaining to the level of power ichigo has now received compared to what he felt with FGT....
That's what we got the Ichigo and Ōetsu scenes for. Asauchi are made of multiple hollows formed into a sword, like their spirit particles are molded into the form of a sword and each shinigami takes those and [trans]forms it into a individual zanpakatou with his inner spirit/power.
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